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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:26 pm 
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Hi Folks,
Hi Fi thread started,
I love listening to music on my HI Fi. Vinyl & Cd's, I don't really have a preference which of those two formats anymore.
I hate MP3s as they are an insult to music.
Best thing I ever bought for my HI FI was a Russ Andrews Purifier.
I've spent a long time tuning my system to my ears & it now sounds spot on.
I love talking about Hi FI sound & equipment & how people tune them for their own sound, or in other words how they stopped their system being just a bunch of expensive equipment.
I do not listen to my system excepting to gauge how it is translating the formats & that's it.
I listen to the f****n' music.
I detest people who spend shit loads of cash & have a system that sounds shit. Just can't figure out why anyone would, but I've met loads who have done this. Talk the talk etc but know F**k all about the quality of sound. Beats me.
There you go that's a thread start if ever I saw one.
All the best Paul.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 pm 
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Jazzbutcher wrote:
Hi Folks,
Hi Fi thread started,

Oh, the threadjack conversation wasn't good enough for you? Snob! ;)

Jazzbutcher wrote:
I love listening to music on my HI Fi. Vinyl & Cd's, I don't really have a preference which of those two formats anymore.

Same here on the preference. It's all better than tape.

Jazzbutcher wrote:
I hate MP3s as they are an insult to music.

Amen! Don't forget the screechy monoaural speaker iPhones the twits listen to to them on. The music the kids listen to in mp3 is an insult to music too.

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I love talking about Hi FI sound & equipment & how people tune them for their own sound, or in other words how they stopped their system being just a bunch of expensive equipment.

I had to sell my hi-fi 25 years ago because I bought way too big for my apartment and my britches. Sold back to the place I got it from at a big loss and replaced with a smaller, more sensible and appropriate array of equipment. It was the best solution to get what I really needed.

Jazzbutcher wrote:
I listen to the f****n' music.

In the end, it's all that matters.

Jazzbutcher wrote:
I detest people who spend shit loads of cash & have a system that sounds shit. Just can't figure out why anyone would, but I've met loads who have done this. Talk the talk etc but know F**k all about the quality of sound. Beats me.

I did that. I was young, over-eager, lacked the wisdom, etc. Learned that not everything awesome on its own plays nicely with others. And bigger is only better in certain things.

Now, after a bad storm killed off my mid-fi 4 years ago, and married since I bought it, "we" are now a lo-fi couple. :sad1:

The exception being a spare 10' x 12' bedroom that I use some 1991 bookshelf size B&W 805 Matrix's bi-wired to a Mesa Boogie 2:90 tube amp designed for a stereo guitar amp rack. Used to have 8 x 6L6GC tubes, now runs KT66s by Tungsol. But it provides a smooth, vintage tone to what is going into it and seems to add "life" to my digital library. I thought it was a pretty good repurposing of a piece of rack gear I no longer want to use for guitar. A very cheap turntable with USB so I can record my vinyl to digital if I get off my ass about it. An old, modded ambient laser and high mass platter Pioneer PD-75 Elite for the CD and an even older Sony ES receiver that I strictly use as a preamp only and component switcher. It works. But not elegant by any means.

I have much better taste than that, just not the disposable income anymore. Fingers crossed on winning the lotto hasn't worked yet.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:33 pm 
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Hi Bob,
No the Threadjack isn't good enough for a Hi Fi thread. It deserves one all of it's own.
Like with my bikes I like to spend a few years with my Hi Fi's getting the best from them.
I have had several but mainly built around a Thorens TD150 (record deck) for those who don't know. I tuned the bollocks off the Thorens & the rest of the system simply kept up with it's capabilities. Vinyl was my pleasure at this point.
I realised after a few years I had fallen into the trap of listening to the system again, for those who don't know, this is a fools errand & is a pit of despair with minimal returns for your money. What's worse is that I wasn't hearing the music just the F*****N' system noise.
Got rid of everything when I realised & started afresh.
I now have a Roksan Radius 5 deck with a Nima Arm & Ortofon Bronze cartridge & Stylus, an Arcam FMJ 36 CD player & a Marantz K1 Signature amp, These are Played through a small pair of Kef speakers to handle the treble & through a pair of Tannoy Bi cone to handle the bass, both sets bi wired. Speaker cables are extremely adequate as are the interconnects.
It handles Depeche mode (Don't scoff) these guys are one of the best produced bands anywhere extremely well. Handles Metallica's Black album extremely well and it plays the Beatles like it happened yesterday, Forgive the pun. It also handles pretty much anything I put on from Death metal to Abba but specialises in of all genres Black & dark ambient. Think Lustmord's "Zoetrope" or Inade's "Crackling of the anonymous" or Predominance "Hindenberg". If you watch them on the internet you won't hear them properly even if you have the computer wired through your hi fi. You will need vinyl or Cd copies. I have shit loads of music in lots of different formats that can be copied via Pen drives & I am prepared to share stuff. Anyway, these bands it plays like they are in the fuckin' room with me, really creeps me out at times.
Anyway let's keep this thread rolling folks.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:33 pm 
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Hi Bob,
No the Threadjack isn't good enough for a Hi Fi thread. It deserves one all of it's own.
Like with my bikes I like to spend a few years with my Hi Fi's getting the best from them.
I have had several but mainly built around a Thorens TD150 (record deck) for those who don't know. I tuned the bollocks off the Thorens & the rest of the system simply kept up with it's capabilities. Vinyl was my pleasure at this point.
I realised after a few years I had fallen into the trap of listening to the system again, for those who don't know, this is a fools errand & is a pit of despair with minimal returns for your money. What's worse is that I wasn't hearing the music just the F*****N' system noise.
Got rid of everything when I realised & started afresh.
I now have a Roksan Radius 5 deck with a Nima Arm & Ortofon Bronze cartridge & Stylus, an Arcam FMJ 36 CD player & a Marantz K1 Signature amp, These are Played through a small pair of Kef speakers to handle the treble & through a pair of Tannoy Bi cone to handle the bass, both sets bi wired. Speaker cables are extremely adequate as are the interconnects.
It handles Depeche mode (Don't scoff) these guys are one of the best produced bands anywhere extremely well. Handles Metallica's Black album extremely well and it plays the Beatles like it happened yesterday, Forgive the pun. It also handles pretty much anything I put on from Death metal to Abba but specialises in of all genres Black & dark ambient. Think Lustmord's "Zoetrope" or Inade's "Crackling of the anonymous" or Predominance "Hindenberg". If you watch them on the internet you won't hear them properly even if you have the computer wired through your hi fi. You will need vinyl or Cd copies. I have shit loads of music in lots of different formats that can be copied via Pen drives & I am prepared to share stuff. Anyway, these bands it plays like they are in the fuckin' room with me, really creeps me out at times.
Anyway let's keep this thread rolling folks.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:35 pm 
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Shit sorry did that twice, bollox.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:49 am 
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Jazzbutcher wrote:
Shit sorry did that twice, bollox.


Well it kept it rolling! lOl

All true, no point spending serious money unless it plays music........musically that is!

If l was starting again l would spend 6 months to a year touring the shows and dealers just listening to different components and systems until l knew what worked and what didn’t. At least the dealers should keep you well plied with coffee!

I got into it ‘biggly’ lOl in the late 80s when bribed reviewers in mags and BS from dealers (only promoting one brand while verbally rubbishing another they didn’t stock for comparison) drove me to seek out an independent hifi consultancy. These were people who were my age and into the same music. They stocked and demonstrated kit they wanted to and would have in their own homes, not junk they were told to sell. They showed me what and why stuff worked and other stuff didn’t by painstaking A to B comparisons each step of the way starting with the source components before complicating things with amplification. Then just when l thought one of my trusty old LPs was sounding good, they would bring out an earlier vinyl pressing of the same record that just blew my copy away. Then l learnt about generations of vinyl pressings. The same thing applies to some CD reissues by the way! :ill:

Speakers came last in the GIGO principle, but would actually prove to be the most difficult to choose in the end. I spent a day and a half at one establishment listening to one set of second hand items before buying, but the dealer wouldn’t sell me something until l was happy.

In time l could hear what component was influencing the sound, be it the pitch stability, the cartridge, or a cable, just from experience. It’s not difficult. The more you hear the more you hear the difference.
It’s amazing how many people don’t use their ears, or have convinced themselves that their ears are not good enough. B*****s, we all have ears and they’re harder to fool than your eyes! :old:

E.g when l upgraded from an integrated amp to a pre-power from the same company, the extra drive was agitating the front baffle of my favourite speakers. My dealer advised me to line the inside of the baffle with cork to stop the treble colouration. Sorted. When one company launched a new speaker at a show using a particular amplifier to demonstrate them, it was clear to me that the speaker baffle was being over excited by that particular amp. The speaker needed more damping in the baffle, but the people who prepared the dem had not realised their error! No mystery, just Experience in this particular area of sound. ;)


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:09 am 
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Hi Edd,
That's exactly what I like talking about, the little tricks people do to stop noise, like with the baffling, especially when it's cheap to do.
I'm an isolationist, making sure I isolate every other piece of equipment from each other with spikes, damping & fixing points.
My Hi Fi is screwed into the wall which isolates it from the floor, turntable is mounted on a Townsend Seismic Sink which isolates it further. The Purifier regulates & keeps the current stable for all components & completely eliminates motor noise & vibration from the turntable. Treble speakers are standing on 3/4 inch slate with spikes & bass speakers mounted on heavy Spiked stands.
Nothing interferes with anything else, Hence the components just do what they're meant to.
I downgraded my interconnects to match the system as the more expensive they are the crisper the sound becomes usually, I like a warm sound so upgraded the speaker wires to do this instead.
Makes a really lovely sound & I regularly have mates round to enjoy it with me. They ain't hi fi lovers but they know a great sound. Played my friend a 1st edition copy (as you mentioned this also) of Pink Floyds "The Wall", blew his head off ha ha. Ist edition presses of anything especially the closer to No 1 the better. I do have a 9th edition copy of Dark side of the moon that sounds stunning though so doesn't always follow. I also have No 9 Vinyl copy of a Doom album by Esoteric that is about as close as you can get to the original pressing & as it's Doom the subsonics shake the room as well as your body, very weird especially after partaking.
As far as remakes of vinyl & Cds go, the only successful attempt at this was with the Beatles Vinyls, I have originals & the represses sound better as they were only allowed to play with the SSSSSS's on the microphones. Worked a treat.
Sorry forgot also Tricky's "Maxinquaye" & Massive Attacks "Mezzanine" were very well done but similarly not F****d about with in the process of remixing.
I also buy stuff from Bandcamp which can be downloaded in whatever format you please, my personal favourite are WAVs sometimes Flacs as they sound ok as well. I've recorded most of my vinyl through my computer into WAVs & they sound pretty good played back through my Hi Fi.
I'll stick a pic on of my system tomorrow as I'm on my laptop at the moment.
Keep this going folks. despite the fact it probably pisses anyone off who isn't into Hi Fi.
All the best Paul

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:30 am 
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Yes tweaking is all part of the fun. I use a ‘True Colours’ mains block, which shows how much hash comes from the mains supply. It’s easy to mistake this noise for more going on in the recording!

To those who say tweaks make no difference, l use the Formula 1 analogy. The more performance or resolution your system has, the more everything will make a difference. If it don’t then either everything is already fixed, or the system can’t see that deep to start with! ;)

I used to love reading about Peter Belt and his tweaks years ago, but l never dabbled in that so reserve my judgement.......the old fraud! lOl


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:32 am 
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Hi Edd
Yeah the purifier I use does the same kind of thing.
I have a similar analogy.
The clearer your source signal is, the clearer your amplifier & everything else can keep it.
I'd also just like to say that Hi FI isn't about how much you spend on it, my Tannoy Bi Cones are from the 80s/90s & cost me £20 from a car boot sale. Luckily I had already selected these as my speaker option & was looking for a pair. I have a pair of very nice £800 Mission speakers gifted by my father in law just sat in my spare bedroom, as they sound clinical on my system.
I've also mainly sold his very high quality components on Ebay as they did nothing for my system despite costing thousands of pounds more than mine.
I got my Remus exhaust & my ECU put right by selling a set of four Silver Interconnects, from his system.
That was a far better deal than fucking up my system again trying to match them into it. Plus my Buell runs like a dream into the bargain ha ha.
Tweaking isn't always about upgrading & spending more cash, it's about balancing what you have to get the sound you want. It's also a very personal thing & if you're very lucky, others may enjoy it also, but not always.

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Agreed. It’s ironic that l originally set out to get a better turntable to hear my Hawkwind records, but as resolution and ‘musicality’ went up my tastes in music expanded so that l started listening more to better musicians! :roll: l probably should have gone down the Linn LP12 route as in the good old Ittok/Valhalla days it worked better with grungy electronic sounds. As it is the Xerxes and my amplification did evolve more into a cleaner CD (yuk!) type presentation. Marvellous with things like the first ELP album on the original Island pressing. Then Yes, King Crimson, Uriah Heep, Wishbone Ash, etc,etc. Hawkwind are still good, but clearly not as precise. Steve Hillage is another favourite, which led me into bands like the Ozric Tentacles in later years (always good on vinyl or CD). I was gifted my Marantz CD10 so cheap by a friend who bought an ex dem Consonance Opera Reference CD player for a bargain price. The CD10 is remarkably similar to the Xerxes record player in presentation, rather than the other way around. The 10 does hook onto timing and rhythm deep inside records that cheaper players simply fail to grasp. Would love to have my friends Consonance player though; good for £1400, but a steal at £900! ;)
Still not sorry l majored in vinyl, as so many sold off their collections, people like me could snap them up at record fairs. I found many records l simply couldn’t afford as a teenager back when. 8-)

I remembered the add from the 80s which said; buy a £250 CD player and you’ll need a new record collection.......buy a £250 Ortofon cartridge and you’ll have one! ;)

I did buy one; the Ortofon MC25FL. What a cartridge, and still the bargain of the late 20th century in my view. I wish l’d Bought a spare before they stopped making them as l traded mine for something ‘better’ but hellishly expensive to replace! Ortofon now won’t make a milled from solid ally body MC for under £850. :sad1: Now l’m listening to my old Rega Ely’s MM and it’s nice, but..........

I actually run up to 3 different systems now in different rooms for different purposes, mostly with second hand components picked up at bargain prices and some with a bit of luck. Even my crappy old JVC separates l started with 38 years ago so l can see where l started! The JVC stuff still has my old LA21 turntable, but works a treat with a SEE ‘Revolver’ turntable, AT110 and ‘pig’. lOl


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:24 pm 
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Now you're talking,
Hawkwind were the band that spawned the Space rock genre, still listen to the Lemmy Hawkwind quite a bit, Hall of the mountain grill, Doreme, Space ritual etc all on original vinyls picked up like you, when others were shedding their collections in favour of Cds.
I had a Thorens TD150 (The Grandaddy of Suspended Platters) which I fitted the Linn Valhalla board & switch in, it also had an Ittock arm with a Linn K9 Cartridge & stylus. That lasted me all the way through the 80's to the 2000's. Still sounded great but Motors for the TD150 became very rare & the LP12 ones didn't quite do it properly. I have two Thorens TD 150's in my attic that I will sell eventually, one even has it's lid.
The Xerxes is a lovely Turntable, far too good for my system, so stunningly quiet & detailed. My friend has one but it's clinical, he gets all his Hi Fi from his dad after he's done with it & doesn't really do anything to get his own sound.
I also pushed my CD sound to the limit for my system, The Arcam Cd36 has eight output dacs for each of it's speaker outputs. Truly works wonders to replace the vinyl sound but is still cleaner & smoother because of the mechanics involved, but is about as close as I would like to get.
The Old Tannoys do their thing to keep the warmth & the Kef's do their bit tweaking the treble.
I also managed to get my Father in laws Russ Andrews speaker cables which make a hell of a difference to the Tannoys. May be able to make them out from the pic.
What amp are you using with the Xerxes? Speakers?
Keep this going, I love it. All the best Paul.


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That looks good Paul, ;)

My main amp is a 20 year old now! Densen Beat B100-2 with DP-02 phono stage. I traded in my Naim 42.5/HICAP/110/140 amps with 323S phono cards for the new Densen gear. The Naims were great, but getting too exposed for some of my recordings, and all those humming transformers were not good for my health in my view (you also need a dedicated spur to get the best from those things). I use Roksan HDC01? blue connections throughout the vinyl system with the Densen. The blue arm cable is more neutral than Roksans white (crackly) white isoda cable. The CD and Nakamichi are connected by QED Qnect 4 multistrand cables. The Densen can feed either Monitor Audio 652MD speakers (£359 in 1987) I bought for £225 in 89 (which were later re-marketed as the Studio 15s with metal drivers for £1500!). The old 652s are very well built inside and have polypropeline drivers which were all the rage in the 80s and they give great soundstaging. I also have a pair of 1979 vintage RAM LS3/5a's which work a treat with the Densen Beat. Speaker cable is Roksan Blue with OCCC silver coated copper strand which adds a lovely sheen to the presentation and is a lot easier to install than Naims A5 'cooker cable'! lOl

I recently found a pair of Ditton CL5.5 speakers at a bargain price which match the Densen well through Maplin's own cheap but effective 'Vandamme' blue speaker cable.

I also have an ION Obelisk 2 integrated back up amp (not to be confused with the cheap Ion record players they pedal in the high st these days). The Obelisk amps were reborn as Heed Audio Obelisks more recently. The Obelisk 2 has a really nice MM phono stage and works great with my Elys cartridge through the LS3/5as. I sometimes wish I had bought the ION 3X/XPak 2 box amp and Royd Abbot speakers in 1989 as these were a symbiotic match with the Xerxes, but I was lured away by the very communicative Naims. Maybe I'll collect all these things in time (hifi hoarder lOl ).

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HI Edd,
Hadn't heard of the Densen but just looked it up on the internet, sounds a really nice piece of kit.
Monitor audio were top class in the 80's and like my old Tannoys keep warmth in the system I guess. Nowadays too much emphasis on top end hissiness for my liking. My kef's are a bit like that as they're only 10 years old or so but compliment the Tannoys well.
I went along the Mission Cyrus2's x 2 & a slave amp in the 80's can't remember the model but like Naim etc no tone controls just an on off. I'm pretty sure they had a new capacitor system which utilised foil rather than standard so they were very quick to react & really tightened the bass up.
I've always liked Mission speakers, I think they were 770's or 80's floorstanders. Two Poly cones which like you say gives great spacial control with a dome tweeter. Ah but that was back in the day when I was still fiddling with my Thorens.
I had a £50 Vanderhul interconnect up till about a month or so ago, tried some Russ Andrews silver streak interconnects & Jesus the sound was really brittle, so now using a Shark SG07E2 with stratos 3 connects, very popular in Japan so I've heard heh heh. Very difficult to get info on now. It really increased the soundstage massively & again from the 90's I believe.
Like you I'm always on the hunt for Hi Fi gear but tend to run just the one system now which is the one in the pic.
That one is actually fixed on to an 1" thick oak backing & screwed directly into the wall so the cupboard underneath has nothing to do with it except my Kef's stand on it. Thick felt 2" round pads under the slate & spikes on the speakers totally isolate them, although stands would do a better job, if only I had the space.
I had a direct feed from my new consumer unit to the twin socket that feeds the HI FI plumbed in when I had it replaced a couple of years ago, with the Purifier it is very quiet & warm.
Really nice communicating with you buddy.
Listen Edd whether you like them or not, I recommend Depeche Mode's "Sounds of the Universe" these guys are real aces with modern production techniques, probably pick a copy up for a quid off Ebay or PM me & I'll send you a copy for free, got a spare with the vinyl copy I bought.
All the best Paul.

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Will be interested in D Modes copy thanks so will PM. I really enjoyed the documentaries they did on BBC4 a while ago on Brit music movements such as; ‘Synthesised Britannia’ covering the formation of electronic bands from late 70s into the 80s, and ‘Festival Britain’. ;)


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Jazzbutcher wrote:
for those who don't know, this is a fools errand & is a pit of despair with minimal returns for your money

Are we talking about Buells or phonograhs?

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