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Many years ago, I can remember edd and Eric batting hifi about on here and even can remember Eric's story of coming by his stuff. Lots of talk about Linn and a friend he had made.

Unfortunately, I chased him away from this site by posting an offensive joke in the Jokes topic. Purely unintentional and, not knowing Eric personally, had no idea of the posted joke's potential effect. It was pointed out to me offline and I have since refrained from posting things there unless they were reasonably acceptable by most people. Eric's leaving here is not something I ever wanted, but I get it. And I heartily apologize for the damage done and do hope he will hang around here and join in whenever he feels like it.

So Eric, please accept my apology for my past transgression. I truly meant no harm.


Nice one Bob.

We all make mistakes and speak before thinking sometimes. It's that Y chromosome in us. And I do hope he decides to come back, for this topic alone if nothing else. He's probably only looking at FB and won't see this. Makes sense as he can't ride a bike anymore (though I'm sure they still interest him) and he's likely more interested in a place he can maintain his current friendships in a social media format geared towards just that. Though I think I remember something about him having a modded 4 wheeler he can play on. My memory is fuzzy on that. Anyway...

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On a slightly different tack. I was in John Lewis yesterday passing through the AV dept and l spotted two NAIM Audio products on display. These were the MUSO and QUBE radio/streamer units. Strange for Naim to be on display in a dept store, as that runs against their traditional policy of professional demonstration facilities only. Right next to a Technics unit in a busy, noisy cluttered set of stands you would struggle to hear the individual units against the background hash unless you resort to turning up the wick to antisocial levels.......which is what the occasional punter does with a B&O unit sat next to the main isle! :roll:

After we had refreshed ourselves at the cafe, l did ask for a demo of the Naims, but the selection of music in the demo attachment was poor. The positioning of the units was also less than ideal. The young JL lady giving me the tour also commented that most people ignore the Naims because they have never heard of the brand. I agreed, suggesting that next to the more popular high street brands that would happen unless people knew the hi fi pedigree. :?

The shame is that such marketing will not show how much better the Naims are likely to be in an actual home environment. There was a similar situation in the local PC World / Comet store who once demo’d a Fatman Idock amp. This unit was broken and remained that way for a number of weeks, as the staff were too busy to look at their own stock! :roll:

A friend of mine uses the smaller two channel Fatman unit as his main amp with a record player (Systemdeck 900) and a CD player of unknown origin. His turntable feeds through a Project phono box, and the Fatman drives two old Kef floorstanders which have a highish sensitivity (89 or 90 dbm ?). The system works really well. ;)


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x1glider wrote:
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Many years ago, I can remember edd and Eric batting hifi about on here and even can remember Eric's story of coming by his stuff. Lots of talk about Linn and a friend he had made.

Unfortunately, I chased him away from this site by posting an offensive joke in the Jokes topic. Purely unintentional and, not knowing Eric personally, had no idea of the posted joke's potential effect. It was pointed out to me offline and I have since refrained from posting things there unless they were reasonably acceptable by most people. Eric's leaving here is not something I ever wanted, but I get it. And I heartily apologize for the damage done and do hope he will hang around here and join in whenever he feels like it.

So Eric, please accept my apology for my past transgression. I truly meant no harm.


Nice one Bob.

We all make mistakes and speak before thinking sometimes. It's that Y chromosome in us. And I do hope he decides to come back, for this topic alone if nothing else. He's probably only looking at FB and won't see this. Makes sense as he can't ride a bike anymore (though I'm sure they still interest him) and he's likely more interested in a place he can maintain his current friendships in a social media format geared towards just that. Though I think I remember something about him having a modded 4 wheeler he can play on. My memory is fuzzy on that. Anyway...



It's a CANAM Spyder that Eric has, and a proper beast it is too. Lots of rubber on the road and 1300cc? V twin Rotax to shove it along. I'd imagine it would corner faster than any bike in the wet 8-)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:14 pm 
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edd wrote:
On a slightly different tack. I was in John Lewis yesterday passing through the AV dept and l spotted two NAIM Audio products on display. These were the MUSO and QUBE radio/streamer units. Strange for Naim to be on display in a dept store, as that runs against their traditional policy of professional demonstration facilities only. Right next to a Technics unit in a busy, noisy cluttered set of stands you would struggle to hear the individual units against the background hash unless you resort to turning up the wick to antisocial levels.......which is what the occasional punter does with a B&O unit sat next to the main isle! :roll:

After we had refreshed ourselves at the cafe, l did ask for a demo of the Naims, but the selection of music in the demo attachment was poor. The positioning of the units was also less than ideal. The young JL lady giving me the tour also commented that most people ignore the Naims because they have never heard of the brand. I agreed, suggesting that next to the more popular high street brands that would happen unless people knew the hi fi pedigree. :?

The shame is that such marketing will not show how much better the Naims are likely to be in an actual home environment. There was a similar situation in the local PC World / Comet store who once demo’d a Fatman Idock amp. This unit was broken and remained that way for a number of weeks, as the staff were too busy to look at their own stock! :roll:

A friend of mine uses the smaller two channel Fatman unit as his main amp with a record player (Systemdeck 900) and a CD player of unknown origin. His turntable feeds through a Project phono box, and the Fatman drives two old Kef floorstanders which have a highish sensitivity (89 or 90 dbm ?). The system works really well. ;)



This kind of unit is the future for Hi Fi, no doubt. I quite like the ease of use these units provide & the fact you can just plug your hard drive/s into them. I also like the fact that I could wi fi/bluetooth to a speaker in my garage/kitchen etc.
I do similar with my TV & Bose sound bar using my film hard drive/s to get cinematic sound & also stick the odd pen drive in when I want to specifically listen to music downstairs, with my preferred choice of file format of course. Pretty much using the same wired technology but with individual parts instead of one single unit. It's also pretty similar to playing music from hard drive/s through my computer into my amp, which I don't mind either, depending on the file format.
The specific vinyl sound will always be turntable & stylus only & remain a prisoner in my Hi Fi/ Computer room, but hey, this is the modern world & digital signals are definitely the future for Hi Fi.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:20 pm 
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Adam wrote:
x1glider wrote:
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x1glider wrote:
Many years ago, I can remember edd and Eric batting hifi about on here and even can remember Eric's story of coming by his stuff. Lots of talk about Linn and a friend he had made.

Unfortunately, I chased him away from this site by posting an offensive joke in the Jokes topic. Purely unintentional and, not knowing Eric personally, had no idea of the posted joke's potential effect. It was pointed out to me offline and I have since refrained from posting things there unless they were reasonably acceptable by most people. Eric's leaving here is not something I ever wanted, but I get it. And I heartily apologize for the damage done and do hope he will hang around here and join in whenever he feels like it.

So Eric, please accept my apology for my past transgression. I truly meant no harm.


Nice one Bob.

We all make mistakes and speak before thinking sometimes. It's that Y chromosome in us. And I do hope he decides to come back, for this topic alone if nothing else. He's probably only looking at FB and won't see this. Makes sense as he can't ride a bike anymore (though I'm sure they still interest him) and he's likely more interested in a place he can maintain his current friendships in a social media format geared towards just that. Though I think I remember something about him having a modded 4 wheeler he can play on. My memory is fuzzy on that. Anyway...



It's a CANAM Spyder that Eric has, and a proper beast it is too. Lots of rubber on the road and 1300cc? V twin Rotax to shove it along. I'd imagine it would corner faster than any bike in the wet 8-)


Thanks Adam,

Eric did mention Canam whilst I was talking to him at Sproutfest, but unfortunately we were off on a HI Fi trip so I wasn't paying much attention to that bit.
Just looked the Canam Spyder up on the internet now you've reminded me.
Jesus Eric, that looks like a load of fun to me?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:35 pm 
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Jazzbutcher wrote:
edd wrote:
On a slightly different tack. I was in John Lewis yesterday passing through the AV dept and l spotted two NAIM Audio products on display. These were the MUSO and QUBE radio/streamer units. Strange for Naim to be on display in a dept store, as that runs against their traditional policy of professional demonstration facilities only. Right next to a Technics unit in a busy, noisy cluttered set of stands you would struggle to hear the individual units against the background hash unless you resort to turning up the wick to antisocial levels.......which is what the occasional punter does with a B&O unit sat next to the main isle! :roll:

After we had refreshed ourselves at the cafe, l did ask for a demo of the Naims, but the selection of music in the demo attachment was poor. The positioning of the units was also less than ideal. The young JL lady giving me the tour also commented that most people ignore the Naims because they have never heard of the brand. I agreed, suggesting that next to the more popular high street brands that would happen unless people knew the hi fi pedigree. :?

The shame is that such marketing will not show how much better the Naims are likely to be in an actual home environment. There was a similar situation in the local PC World / Comet store who once demo’d a Fatman Idock amp. This unit was broken and remained that way for a number of weeks, as the staff were too busy to look at their own stock! :roll:

A friend of mine uses the smaller two channel Fatman unit as his main amp with a record player (Systemdeck 900) and a CD player of unknown origin. His turntable feeds through a Project phono box, and the Fatman drives two old Kef floorstanders which have a highish sensitivity (89 or 90 dbm ?). The system works really well. ;)



This kind of unit is the future for Hi Fi, no doubt. I quite like the ease of use these units provide & the fact you can just plug your hard drive/s into them. I also like the fact that I could wi fi/bluetooth to a speaker in my garage/kitchen etc.
I do similar with my TV & Bose sound bar using my film hard drive/s to get cinematic sound & also stick the odd pen drive in when I want to specifically listen to music downstairs, with my preferred choice of file format of course. Pretty much using the same wired technology but with individual parts instead of one single unit. It's also pretty similar to playing music from hard drive/s through my computer into my amp, which I don't mind either, depending on the file format.
The specific vinyl sound will always be turntable & stylus only & remain a prisoner in my Hi Fi/ Computer room, but hey, this is the modern world & digital signals are definitely the future for Hi Fi.


Maybe this is the future, but l would still go to a specialist Hi fi dealer, where l can sit in comfort in a dedicated demo room and drink a coffee while l evaluate the performance of equipment and my choices! ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:20 am 
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edd wrote:
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On a slightly different tack. I was in John Lewis yesterday passing through the AV dept and l spotted two NAIM Audio products on display. These were the MUSO and QUBE radio/streamer units. Strange for Naim to be on display in a dept store, as that runs against their traditional policy of professional demonstration facilities only. Right next to a Technics unit in a busy, noisy cluttered set of stands you would struggle to hear the individual units against the background hash unless you resort to turning up the wick to antisocial levels.......which is what the occasional punter does with a B&O unit sat next to the main isle! :roll:

After we had refreshed ourselves at the cafe, l did ask for a demo of the Naims, but the selection of music in the demo attachment was poor. The positioning of the units was also less than ideal. The young JL lady giving me the tour also commented that most people ignore the Naims because they have never heard of the brand. I agreed, suggesting that next to the more popular high street brands that would happen unless people knew the hi fi pedigree. :?

The shame is that such marketing will not show how much better the Naims are likely to be in an actual home environment. There was a similar situation in the local PC World / Comet store who once demo’d a Fatman Idock amp. This unit was broken and remained that way for a number of weeks, as the staff were too busy to look at their own stock! :roll:

A friend of mine uses the smaller two channel Fatman unit as his main amp with a record player (Systemdeck 900) and a CD player of unknown origin. His turntable feeds through a Project phono box, and the Fatman drives two old Kef floorstanders which have a highish sensitivity (89 or 90 dbm ?). The system works really well. ;)



This kind of unit is the future for Hi Fi, no doubt. I quite like the ease of use these units provide & the fact you can just plug your hard drive/s into them. I also like the fact that I could wi fi/bluetooth to a speaker in my garage/kitchen etc.
I do similar with my TV & Bose sound bar using my film hard drive/s to get cinematic sound & also stick the odd pen drive in when I want to specifically listen to music downstairs, with my preferred choice of file format of course. Pretty much using the same wired technology but with individual parts instead of one single unit. It's also pretty similar to playing music from hard drive/s through my computer into my amp, which I don't mind either, depending on the file format.
The specific vinyl sound will always be turntable & stylus only & remain a prisoner in my Hi Fi/ Computer room, but hey, this is the modern world & digital signals are definitely the future for Hi Fi.


Maybe this is the future, but l would still go to a specialist Hi fi dealer, where l can sit in comfort in a dedicated demo room and drink a coffee while l evaluate the performance of equipment and my choices! ;)


Hi Edd,

I said this is the future for Hi Fi, I didn't say I'd use one, and I certainly wouldn't at the moment as I'm happy with what I have with my individual components & hard drives. What I'm using at the moment is essentially the same thing in real terms, just a lot bigger.

As far as demo's go with one of these or in fact any Hi Fi item, I've always found demo rooms in Hi Fi shops are usually very bare, sterile & pretentious with just a sofa & Hi Fi & specifically for testing Hi Fi components at their absolute best with minimal sound deflecting surfaces.
Unfortunately this is absolutely nothing like my room & the sound I fear wouldn't be representative of what I could expect to get at home with all the shit I have cluttering my room up.
Most stuff you can just buy & return if you ain't happy with it nowadays, especially with high end retailers who tend to make this as easy as possible in my experience.
This way you can demo in your own room with all of it's faults with whatever refreshments you feel will make the experience as pleasurable as possible

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All true, but a hi fi shop is better than buying a MUSO from an open plan dept store. The parking attached to J Lewis in Cheltenham leaves much to be desired and they charge blue badge holders. The shop may be ok, and there is a nice Hufkins cafe, but if l was driving l’d rather go to Cribbs Causeway.

Audio T and Sevenoaks in Cheltenham also stock Naim. I was just surprised Naim gave John Lewis a dealership. I like to get to know personnel in hi fi shops in a more relaxed atmosphere before l buy anything. I guess l was just spoilt with West Midlands Audio during the late 80s and early 90s having got to know Pete and John there, listening and learning a lot, talking about music and equipment and generally having a good laugh at the same time. A bit like a visit to Maz’s Emporium today with your Buell. ;)

Those sort of dealerships are still worth finding, and like other forms of networking can lead to other useful contacts. ;)


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All true, but a hi fi shop is better than buying a MUSO from an open plan dept store. The parking attached to J Lewis in Cheltenham leaves much to be desired and they charge blue badge holders. The shop may be ok, and there is a nice Hufkins cafe, but if l was driving l’d rather go to Cribbs Causeway.

Audio T and Sevenoaks in Cheltenham also stock Naim. I was just surprised Naim gave John Lewis a dealership. I like to get to know personnel in hi fi shops in a more relaxed atmosphere before l buy anything. I guess l was just spoilt with West Midlands Audio during the late 80s and early 90s having got to know Pete and John there, listening and learning a lot, talking about music and equipment and generally having a good laugh at the same time. A bit like a visit to Maz’s Emporium today with your Buell. ;)

Those sort of dealerships are still worth finding, and like other forms of networking can lead to other useful contacts. ;)


Last time I went to a Hi fi Specific shop (Moorgate Acoustics) in Sheffield was in the 80s to demo some speakers & like you say it did lead to me finding an Akito arm for £100 that some one had taken off their LP12 without even using it & at the same time I bought a 2nd hand Valhalla board for £10 both for my Thorens TD160. I think those days are well gone now unfortunately. My last lot of components were bought off the internet because it was the cheapest way to get them & I knew what I was looking for.

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Steve McQueen in '63. Doesn't appear he takes very good care of his jazz records. Oooo, look at that....one is in "Stereo!"
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Rich b******. In 63, We only had a copy of ‘Out of the shadows’, Twist and Shout, and the ‘Chimpmonk’s Songbook’! lOl


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I remember "Atlantis" by the Shadows. We had a "not sold in stores" record of surf music when I was a kid.

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RARE SHIT!....Have you ever tried to get "Agadoo" on 12 inch purple vinyl? ;) lOl

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I remember "Atlantis" by the Shadows. We had a "not sold in stores" record of surf music when I was a kid.


Yeah! ‘Atlantis’ was almost identical to those tracks.....with same tempo and beats. ;)

Sounded even more far away when our portable battery power gramophones ‘Never Ready’s’ were running down! :hehe:


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edd wrote:
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I remember "Atlantis" by the Shadows. We had a "not sold in stores" record of surf music when I was a kid.


Yeah! ‘Atlantis’ was almost identical to those tracks.....with same tempo and beats. ;)

Sounded even more far away when our portable battery power gramophones ‘Never Ready’s’ were running down! :hehe:

Battery power at the time was definitely not an improvement over the clock-style spiral torsion springs.
In the 40s and 50s, Chrysler used to sell portable record players powered by those springs so you can use it on a picnic or camping or wherever you want.

Chrysler also used to offer an in-dash phonograph that could hold 14 records of the 7 inch and 16-2/3 rpm variety. Early ones used thicker vinyl pressings that were more resistant to heat from being left in the car in the summer. Never gained traction due to the special discs having to be purchased from Columbia's limited catalog.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/555840/highway-hi-fi-chrysler-car-record-player

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