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 Post subject: Rough running
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:00 pm 
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Hi all, in trouble again and need advice. I have a 2009 Ulysses fitted with an APH exhaust and K&N filter which is running lean with an AFV reading of 90. Can't get re-mapped locally so opted for wideband o2 sensor and map from Buelltooth. Tried to fit new sensor but couldn't undo old sensor with a modified 7/8 ring spanner so ordered the 3/8" drive sensor socket. I put the bike back on the road as socket is on backorder but now it won't run right. It starts and idles ok but within a mile its running rough and losing power and then the engine management light comes on and it starts running fine again. Pull it, switch off engine, switch engine back on, management light goes off, ride away and the whole scenario starts again! Fault code reads "13 l Rear O2 always lean" and AFV at 87 but once the engine management light comes on it runs ok.


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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:19 pm 
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Is the ECM broken at the grey connector?

Very common on 2008/2009/2010 Ulys.

Results in very low AFVs.

Have you tried riding it standing up? Have you tried moving the ECM?

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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:09 pm 
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No obvious damage to ECU. I have a bracket supporting the seat base to keep it off the ECU and I checked using bluetac and there's no contact. I tired standing and moving back on the seat but no improvement. AFV is usually at 90 since exhaust fitted but no additional fault code is registering. Since I removed the right side subframe rail to help access to the o2 sensor could it be an issue with the earth? I read somewhere that the ECU and O2 sensor are earthed through the subframe to the earth strap under the mailbox.


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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:52 pm 
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I'd go back to the standard map rather than trust the Buelltooth one after all the bad reports I have read about them ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:36 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:06 pm 
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:yt: (I missed the Buelltooth mess)

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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:12 pm 
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Sorry for confusion I didn't explain it clearly. I'm still running stock fuel map. Buelltooth map bought but not loaded to ECU. No joy with checking, cleaning, refitting earth connections. If problem turns out to be ECU what's the best option for replacement, eBay, Twin Motorcycles, IDS??


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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:33 pm 
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Derm wrote:
Sorry for confusion I didn't explain it clearly. I'm still running stock fuel map. Buelltooth map bought but not loaded to ECU. No joy with checking, cleaning, refitting earth connections. If problem turns out to be ECU what's the best option for replacement, eBay, Twin Motorcycles, IDS??

Talk to Maz who can fully bench test it to see if there's an issue with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:41 pm 
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Afraid not Steve, can only bench test DDFI 1 and 2......above is a 3.

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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:14 pm 
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Maz wrote:
Afraid not Steve, can only bench test DDFI 1 and 2......above is a 3.

Amply demonstrating my lack of fuel infection system knowledge. Note to self- Try to stay out of fuel infection threads. My apologies for misunderstanding and misleading the OP.

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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:47 pm 
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I'll hedge my bets that a fitting of a replacement O2 sensor will resolve.

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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:00 pm 
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delw wrote:
I'll hedge my bets that a fitting of a replacement O2 sensor will resolve.

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Derm wrote:
Fault code reads "13 l Rear O2 always lean" and AFV at 87 but once the engine management light comes on it runs ok.

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I think you might find that once EML comes on, the ECU stops reading o2 sensor and adjusting fuel values and uses the fuel maps as is , that were probably designed on the safe side (rich) to keep things cool .

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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:41 pm 
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Thanks delw and barney for response. I have a wide-band o2 sensor available which I tried to fit but the stock sensor is seized in place. If it snaps or strips the treads from too much force it looks like an engine out job to replace it! If I disable the closed-loop would this by-pass the 02 sensor and confirm if the sensor is the issue?


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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:21 pm 
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when you say a modded spanner ,did you cut it to clear the cable ?
ie cut the into the ring part ?

slightly different maybe , on my X1 I used a standard ring spanner , just unplugged the cable then threaded it through the spanner then a couple of taps with a soft mallet
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 Post subject: Re: Rough running
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:24 pm 
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Ya did the same, disconnected the wire ran it through a ring spanner. The mod was attaching an extension that fitted out the side of the bike to get some leverage.


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