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Author: | gunter [ 07 Mar 2012 11:12 ] |
Post subject: | How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
Found a solution more or less accidently when I logged a ride. Helped fine with my XB12, but will not neccessarily work with every bike. When the throttle is closed in overrun, fuel get's reduced according to the deceleration correction settings, by default 96%. (All images shown below are made with a much lower setting (40-60%), to get rid of excessive exhaust popping in overrun.) When the throttle is opened again, there's a small lag until the deceleration condition ends and fuel will be delivered again. This is what makes riding at low speed quite irregular. Image 1: logfile as logged when letting the bike run with a closed throttle. http://ecmspy.com/download/gunter/images/decel_log1.jpg Watch the pink line in the marked area, how it drops below the blue line (showing the fuel map's value). As soon as the idle region is reached (rpm < 1350, load < 20), fuel will be supplied again and the bike suddenly bounces forward. This also happens very similar if the throttle is opened, as seen in the event just left from the marked area. Deceleration correction is defined by a value and by a region, where it is applied. Both engine speed and load must be below the line, defined by the four points of the deceleration correction region: Standard setup of the deceleation region: My attempt was to make it impossible to enter deceleration correction at low speed, by setting the load to 0 at an engine speed higher than will apply at the targeted speed: When logging another ride with the deceleration region adjusted as above, riding was much smoother and throttle reaction more predictable as before. Especially slow turns will benefit from this refinement. http://ecmspy.com/download/gunter/images/decel_log2.jpg The marked spot shows where fuel kicks in again, as a much higher speed than before, where the change is much less noticeable. |
Author: | Shuggito [ 03 May 2012 10:24 ] |
Post subject: | How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
What did he say? |
Author: | bryans [ 19 Jun 2012 16:23 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
gunter, So it's been about a month. Have you left the settings the same? Bryan |
Author: | GarrCano [ 24 Jun 2012 21:15 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
gunter wrote: ...TPS voltage range was adjusted to a value as measured,... Only for my confirmation, if I'm going the wrong way Data taken from my Uly2006 with IB310, calibration 76 EU: EcmSpy TPS-Voltage for fully closed throttle: 0.91V EcmSpy TPS-Voltage for fully opened throttle: 4.68V (max reading) Difference: 4.68-0.91=3.77V (decimal) => 377 (*0.01 translation) => 0179 (hexadecimal) ECM Data (OEM H-D): Line 010, row 04: 6B Line 010, row 05: 01 => hex 016B => 363 (1/0.01 translation) => dec 3.63V So I have to program: Line 010, row 04 -> 79 Line 010, row 05 -> 01 Am I right ???? |
Author: | gunter [ 25 Jun 2012 05:39 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
That's how I did it. To make it perfectly, measuring the butterfly opening angle would also be required, but I decided to believe the stored value (this time). Load (0-255) is mapped on this voltage range, as well as TP in degrees (0-85 by default). I don't think it will make things really run better, but it won't hurt, and it's an adjustment easily applied. |
Author: | GarrCano [ 25 Jun 2012 19:41 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
Thanks. |
Author: | Mordueman [ 12 Nov 2012 22:47 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
I have just read your work on low speed surging and I have not got a clue, as I am not the most technically minded. Is there anyone you can recommend in the North east who could do this for me ? |
Author: | capitantem [ 20 Jun 2013 09:54 ] |
Post subject: | How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
Hi Gunter, is there a way to do that without having to install the full version of ECMSpy 2? Great job BTW. |
Author: | gunter [ 21 Jun 2013 16:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
I suppoes, that you could use any tool of your choice. |
Author: | nosamp [ 13 Oct 2013 15:41 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
Having just starting riding V-twins, specifically an XB12S Lightning, and finding it really hard to be smooth at low speed I was reading with growing excitement Gunter's initial post, that was until I realised it's a pretty technical job to do . I take it that to do this you need to a) have access to a computer with the correct software that can connect to your bike and b) know what the heck you are doing? As I unfortunately don't have either of those how would I go about having this done? Is it expensive and is it reversible? I've never been into tinkering with my cars or bikes but this sounds like the only must do 'mod' to my bike to help me ride smoother. Any / all help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks |
Author: | gunter [ 14 Oct 2013 07:23 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
Visit ecmspy.com, read the tuning and the users guide. Almost all of your questions are covered there. |
Author: | nosamp [ 15 Oct 2013 11:32 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
gunter wrote: Visit ecmspy.com, read the tuning and the users guide. Almost all of your questions are covered there. Awesome, thanks Gunter |
Author: | spartan117 [ 15 Oct 2013 22:20 ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to get rid of surging at very low speed |
Top Work Gunter |
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