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| Author: | pash [ 07 May 2009 22:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
Work In Progress :lol: Why does my engine need a breather A Buell needs one for two main reasons: i. Because during combustion, some gas is forced past the piston rings (this goes for all engines) ii. Because there is an uneven firing interval, resulting in the volume inside the crank cases not being constant (this is a Buell peculiarity) If there was no breather, the pressure in the engine would build up and you would blow a seal to allow gas to escape. How does it work from the factory? On Buells, just as on many other engines, the breather is routed from the top of the engine (rocker covers) into the airbox. The gas forced past the piston rings, known as blow-by, exists into the inlet airstream along with any oil picked up along the way. What is the issue? The oil, picked up along the way, tends to make a mess in the airbox. This mess can mean clogging of the air filter element and contamination of the temperature sensor. A pureist might also say that the blow-by contains Carbon Dioxide, which is no use for combustion and hence power or drivability. What are my options for modding? There are plenty of ways to do this, but they fall into three main categories. i. You can vent the breather to atmosphere ii. You can run the breather to a catch can with a vent to atmosphere iii. You can run the breather to a catch can with a vent to the airbox Regardless of which solution you choose, you need to ensure that in the removal of brether pipes from the airbox, you block any holes up. This is important as the breathers vent downstream of the filter and hence any leaks would mean unfiltered air is allowed to enter the motor. i. Venting the breather to atmosphere Regardless of what anyone would have you believe, Buells do not spit much oil out of the breather pipes. If they did, you would be topping your oil up continuously and replacing air filters at very regular intervals. For this reason, it is quite acceptable to vent to atmosphere with no catch tank. When you route the pipe, you need to make sure that any oil mist exhausting from the pipe does not find it's way on to the tyres, brakes, belt etc. The addition of a filter at the pipe exit just means that it will get clogged with oil over time and will stop acting as a breather, resulting in blown seals. ii. Running the breather to a catch can with a vent to atmosphere A catch can is used to seperate the oil from the gas, the gas being allowed to flow to atmosphere afterwards. Again, the addition of a filter at the pipe exit just means that it will get clogged with oil over time and will stop acting as a breather, resulting in blown seals. iii. Running the breather to a catch can with a vent to the airbox As above, but with the gas exhausting to the airbox. The design of a good system The design of a good system relies on the understanding of what you want to do and an understanding of simple physics. What do you want to do? The straight forward answers are: i. Stop oil getting into my airbox (smoother running / cleaner filter / no oil on my temp sensor) ii. Stop oil getting onto my tyres/brakes/belt The simple physics? Gas is lighter than oil ****** Emotive subject. I started putting something together to provoke thought and an understanding as to why you are doing what you are doing. If you are happy to follow someone elses implementation without understanding, then that is fine, but i doesnt work for me. Questions you need to ask yourself are: 1. What is wrong with the stock set up? 2. Am I going to let the engine dump it's spew overboard 3. Am I going to let the engine dump it's spew into a catch can 4. Am I going to let the catch can breathe without a filter 5. Am I going to let the catch can breathe with a filter 6. Am I going to let the catch can breathe into the airbox 1. My XB12R has the stock breather setup and you will be hard pressed to find a smoother XB 2. My S1 spews it's guts overboard - it has XB rocker covers and PCVs and has a Forcewinder - it drips on the garage floor from time to time 3. I would only use a catch can if I was forced to - I don't want to have to empty it 4. If I had a catch can, I would let it breathe to air 5. Filters can clog. If they clog, you end up with an increase in crankcase pressure and this can be the straw that breaks the camel's back for tired seals and filters (I had an S1 that blew the oil pump gasket) 6. An easy solution, but not much different to the standard set up as there will still be oil mist in the gas and the gas will be high in UHC and/or CO2 as it is combustion that that forces gas past the rings and into the crackcase So, bear these things in mind... |
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| Author: | GX07 [ 23 Jul 2020 10:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
Thank you for this informative post Pash. My Uly has stood for a while and once cooled down after a good run there was a cream coloured puddle under the engine breather pipe which prompted me to have a look for articles on the topic. |
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| Author: | deepsix [ 23 Jul 2020 19:49 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
A good technical post about Buells. A breath of fresh air
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| Author: | mojomick [ 23 Jul 2020 21:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
I run mine into a Red Bull can. Mainly because the colour almost matches..... |
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| Author: | Jones [ 24 Jul 2020 02:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
Mine vents to atmosphere, only a few drops of moisture when cold then next to nothing when warm. |
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| Author: | barney [ 24 Jul 2020 08:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
Jones wrote: Mine vents to atmosphere, only a few drops of moisture when cold then next to nothing when warm.   GX07 wrote: Thank you for this informative post Pash. My Uly has stood for a while and once cooled down after a good run there was a cream coloured puddle under the engine breather pipe which prompted me to have a look for articles on the topic. that cream coloured puddle after a good run , says to me lots of moisture in that oil  , you need to get it warmed up (hot) then change the oil 
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| Author: | gusm2 [ 25 Jul 2020 01:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
mojomick wrote: I run mine into a Red Bull can. Mainly because the colour almost matches..... I used to have mine into a neuky broon can, mainly because I drink lots of it 
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| Author: | gusm2 [ 29 Jul 2020 12:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
http://www.ukbeg.com/images/uploads/gal ... %20029.jpg Found it 😊 |
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| Author: | conquistador [ 29 Jul 2020 20:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Considerations for doing a "breather mod" |
You'd be hard put to spot the difference between the original and more recent contents... |
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