It looks like Kellerman will have to reprint all their boxes and instruction sheets, where they falsely claim that their product meets all the legal criteria for use on EU roads, provided they are fitted correctly.

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Yep.

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GRRRR!!!!

Why? What regs? Anyone got any clues that they are willing to share or have they suddenly become top secret?

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If someone does look up Construction and Use Regs, can you check out what it says about front mudgaurds. I was always under the inpression that they had to cover an arc with a minimum angle of 120 deg at the spindle. A lot of modern bikes seem to flout this

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I do have a copy gathering dust in my office...... I'll have a look one of these days.....

I tried to copy and paste the legal bit from the retail site I nicked the picture from, but it's got some sort of protective encryption and won't let me. I started to have a nose around for the EU regs. but decided that I had better thing to do.

Basically, Kellerman reckon their products are legal for highway use if they are mounted so far above the ground and no closer to each other than a prescribed distance.
In respect to their stop/tail/indicators, it must not be fitted alongside the o/e tail light.

It looks like Kellerman and their legal team, along with the government departments who issued them with their certificates have got it all wrong.
Perhaps they should be reported to Trading Standards for false representation?

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If everyone is soley talking about regs for indicators then perhaps we should all stand back a little and look at the bigger picture. How many bike meets have you been to where there are hundreds of bikes with LED indicators, I dont think I have been to one since LED indicators were introduced where there has not been bikes with them on. Also at meets I have been to there has nearly always been a cop or two there waiting for the wheely king to arrive . The upshot is police are not concerned with them in my opinion. I had a limited edition R6 for my sins and it was featured in the ride magazine, mainly because of all the changes and mods I had done to it, whilst at a bike meet I had 3 cops come over to my bike and gave me some compliments on how well the bike looked and one asked where I got my indies from as he was after a set. So as a big picture there are literally thousands and thousands of bikes out there with them on.

my point is, if they have been stamped and approved for road use then use them, no one can fine you for a product that has been approved. Long live the LED

Oh one last thing, Safety....

In my opinion LED's are far far brighter than a box standard bulb.... That has to be a positive, just like a very loud exhaust, the louder it is the better chance some numpty has of hearing you coming so lets have loud exhausts to

I think what Maz might be trying to point out is that if you fit illegal, non approved for highway use indicators or tail light to your motorcycle, you run the risk of failing your MOT when the time comes.
Just the same as you would fail an MOT for having a small number plate or maybe even having the belt guard removed.

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Correct......and to answer Norms point, if you were to take the new Sportster for an SVA test, you would be issued with a fail pending the fitment of the old style stop/tail lamp and seperate indicators.

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So, how? Why? etc I don't see how the DfT allow them for sale if they flout C&R Regs.

They look damned nice, though.

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Dunno, Norm, but I do know that the SVA and MOT tests are quite different animals.
Still, what will happen when these new (I'm assuming they're new) Sporties do go in for their first MOT's?
Perhaps the SVA has been changed to allow these lights?
Best bloke to ask would be someone from the department, I suppose.

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IIRC, they appeared early last year with the Nightster and have migrated across some other Sporties.

BTW, I know I put C&R rather than C&U but C&U is too close to C&W and there's only two things associated with C&W which are ever worthy of mention, both attached to this girl's ribcage.

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Aye but the chances of getting a straight answer are pretty remote.

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can someone post a link to the kellerman site that gives the details of these combined lamps thanks ..............whichway?

(as im on my mot refresher at the moment, i can get them checked out )

this is the link to the mot testers guide.......cant see any reasons for fail there
http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_150.htm

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