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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2009 21:43 
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b. does not show a light of the appropriate colour

c. not working or not flashing at 60 to 120 flashes per minute, or which is affected by the operation of another lamp.


These are reasons listed for refusal of MOT......says the same under the brake lamp section.

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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2009 21:55 
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b. does not show a light of the appropriate colour

c. not working or not flashing at 60 to 120 flashes per minute, or which is affected by the operation of another lamp.


These are reasons listed for refusal of MOT......says the same under the brake lamp section.


does it not show a red lamp for tail/stop & amber for indicator :?: or are they wired together :? unable to find the kellerman site to confirm.......whichway

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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2009 22:03 
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As I understand it both indicator and brake are displayed together in the same lamps, therefore the clear operation and colour definition is compromised.

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As I understand it both indicator and brake are displayed together in the same lamps, therefore the clear operation and colour definition is compromised.


thats def a fail re mot , if the red leds were switched seperately from the amber leds then the operation would be ok for mot........ whichway?

looking closly at the picture posted by TTT I 'thought' i saw a separater between the red & amber leds :?:

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As I understand it both indicator and brake are displayed together in the same lamps, therefore the clear operation and colour definition is compromised.

Not with the one I have fitted, which has a clear lens and coloured LED's. AFAIK, the "lamp" is the bulb, not the lens or vehicles like this and this would fail, as would most buses around here which have one of these.
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Here y'go, Whichway?

http://shop.partsworldshop.com/abashop?s=74&p=productdetail&sku=28051

(the closest I can get to the actual Kellerman web-site)

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As I understand it both indicator and brake are displayed together in the same lamps, therefore the clear operation and colour definition is compromised.

Not with the one I have fitted, which has a clear lens and coloured LED's. AFAIK, the "lamp" is the bulb, not the lens or vehicles like this and this would fail, as would most buses around here which have one of these.
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hi Norm :D the whole assembly is the lamp,the lenses are the coloured bits & 'light' is what comes out of it ;) opens can of worms & steps back :hehe: ..whichway?

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Yes Norm but those are large lamps with definite separations between the illuminating elements and a car/bus/whatever is a little wider than a bike.....have you seen the size of Kellerman indicators ?

Regardless of what the makers claim, or the rights/wrongs of the MOT or SVA, I would feel much easier knowing that my intentions were clearly signalled to other road users as opposed to making some sort of fashion statement and ending up with a SMIDSY.

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Here y'go, Whichway?

http://shop.partsworldshop.com/abashop?s=74&p=productdetail&sku=28051

(the closest I can get to the actual Kellerman web-site)


thanksTTT 8-) still dosnt show the wiring :headbang: but as i see the cost is 90 euros each it wont bother me to much :ill:

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We should all take our indicators off altogether and use our arms, like in the good old days.
You can't make your intentions any clearer than that and you'll never run the risk of accidentally leaving them turned on :P

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I would feel much easier knowing that my intentions were clearly signalled to other road users as opposed to making some sort of fashion statement and ending up with a SMIDSY.

Without a doubt, which is why I was going to use those in my rear lens in addition to rather than in replacement of the stock items.

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Cant understand the point in that Norm :? .......what's wrong with a big red light with a seperate indicator set a decent distance away ?

You will end up with a much smaller brake light with an amber flashing right next to it AND another amber flashing outboard......how is that going to improve things ?

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We should all take our indicators off altogether and use our arms, like in the good old days.
You can't make your intentions any clearer than that and you'll never run the risk of accidentally leaving them turned on :P



:yup: I remember when indicators were novelty items on a few new bikes :lol:

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PostPosted: 26 Aug 2009 00:26 
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thorkill the tall wrote:
We should all take our indicators off altogether and use our arms, like in the good old days.
You can't make your intentions any clearer than that and you'll never run the risk of accidentally leaving them turned on :P



:yup: I remember when indicators were novelty items on a few new bikes :lol:


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Yes Norm but those are large lamps with definite separations between the illuminating elements...

Those particular units are, but, IIRC, the ones they use round Kingston have the red and amber LED's mixed within the same area.

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Cant understand the point in that Norm :? .......what's wrong with a big red light with a seperate indicator set a decent distance away ?

You will end up with a much smaller brake light with an amber flashing right next to it AND another amber flashing outboard......how is that going to improve things ?

Did you look at it? Far from being smaller, the bulbs for the brakes lights cover the full width of the lamp / lens, meaning they have a broader aspect as well as being inherently more powerful than the standard single incandescent bulb.

LED are faster to get up to full luminosity (more turn on and offable, for those who remember the tortoise :lol: ) so the flashing of the LED indicator bulbs is more noticeable.

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