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 Post subject: Re: license plate
PostPosted: 10 Aug 2010 10:26 
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Trojan wrote:
If you wanted to be really pedantic about it, the law actually gives minimum sizes for the letters/numbers on your licence plate in addition to plate sizes generally.

You see loads of cars driving around with poncy 'personal' plates that are clearly illegal due to incorrect spacing or making numbers look like letters etc so that the scrote driving can have his 'PEN1S' number plate read correctly, but for some obscure reason the police don't seem to target these like they do bikes :(


Unfortunately when police chiefs have the same opinion as the North Wales Chief we are going to be targeted. I spoke to two motorcycle cops(decent lads) at the Ponderosa Cafe. They informed us of a speed trap on the road we were going to take and its exact location, sure enough as we exited the bends there it was, so glad we sat at there table(no other spaces available) They also told us of their chiefs attitude towards bikers. As most bikers nowadays are older and have more disposable income "Target them" He ought to take time to have a word with the local business owners in Betws-y-Coed and ask their opinions on bikers. They had a big sign out after the Foot and Mouth outbreak thanking all the bikers as they were the ones that kept them going when times were tough and tourism virtually nil.


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 Post subject: Re: license plate
PostPosted: 10 Aug 2010 10:58 
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zx7rlloyd wrote:
He ought to take time to have a word with the local business owners in Betws-y-Coed and ask their opinions on bikers. They had a big sign out after the Foot and Mouth outbreak thanking all the bikers as they were the ones that kept them going when times were tough and tourism virtually nil.


Last time I was in North Wales on a bike every pub had a big sign outside - "NO BIKERS" That was 25 years ago, and I've not been back since :P

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PostPosted: 10 Aug 2010 11:05 
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Bonzo wrote:
zx7rlloyd wrote:
He ought to take time to have a word with the local business owners in Betws-y-Coed and ask their opinions on bikers. They had a big sign out after the Foot and Mouth outbreak thanking all the bikers as they were the ones that kept them going when times were tough and tourism virtually nil.


Last time I was in North Wales on a bike every pub had a big sign outside - "NO BIKERS" That was 25 years ago, and I've not been back since :P


25 years ago most pubs in Wales had signs saying "No English" :D


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 Post subject: Re: license plate
PostPosted: 10 Aug 2010 11:11 
Ah yes, the "Come home to a real fire .... buy a holiday cottage in Wales" era. lOl


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 Post subject: Re: license plate
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2010 22:26 
I got caught a few years ago with a single line plate. I got a £30 fine and when I asked if I needed to get it changed and then produce proof it was legal, I was told I did not have to remove and change the plate but obviousley would be fined if caught again. The officer told me if I then persistently displayed an illegal plate, the DVLA could revoke the registration and deem the vehicle unregistered.
I fitted a new plate to the exact minimum dimensions on the DVLA website. As trojan said, the plate can be any size as long as the lettering, spacing and border are correct.

This is taken from the DVLA website

Motorcycles registered from 1 September 2001 must only display a number plate at the rear of the vehicle.

Motorcycles registered before 1 September 2001 can display a number plate at the front, but do not have to. The number plate must be a 'two-line' number plate.

Motorcycle number plates should have a:

character height - 64 millimetres
character width - 44 millimetres (except the figure 1 or letter I)
character stroke - 10 millimetres
space between characters - 10 millimetres
space between groups - 30 millimetres
top, bottom and side margins - 11 millimetres (minimum)
vertical space between groups - 13 millimetres
Tricycles made from motorcycles must meet the number plate requirements for motorcycles.

Tricycles made from four-wheeled vehicles, such as saloon cars and quad bikes must meet the same number plate requirements as all other vehicles.


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PostPosted: 12 Aug 2010 22:52 
3 of us in our office all got caught by the same copper over a period of 3 months. My boss for being on his mobile, me for a small number plate that vibrated so much he couldn't read it & one of the women for the number plate letters not in the right position on her husbands car. We got a little paranoid for a while


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 Post subject: Re: license plate
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2010 10:19 
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yorkshirelad wrote:
I got caught a few years ago with a single line plate. I got a £30 fine and when I asked if I needed to get it changed and then produce proof it was legal, I was told I did not have to remove and change the plate but obviousley would be fined if caught again. The officer told me if I then persistently displayed an illegal plate, the DVLA could revoke the registration and deem the vehicle unregistered.
I fitted a new plate to the exact minimum dimensions on the DVLA website. As trojan said, the plate can be any size as long as the lettering, spacing and border are correct.

This is taken from the DVLA website

Motorcycles registered from 1 September 2001 must only display a number plate at the rear of the vehicle.

Motorcycles registered before 1 September 2001 can display a number plate at the front, but do not have to. The number plate must be a 'two-line' number plate.

Motorcycle number plates should have a:

character height - 64 millimetres
character width - 44 millimetres (except the figure 1 or letter I)
character stroke - 10 millimetres
space between characters - 10 millimetres
space between groups - 30 millimetres
top, bottom and side margins - 11 millimetres (minimum)
vertical space between groups - 13 millimetres
Tricycles made from motorcycles must meet the number plate requirements for motorcycles.

Tricycles made from four-wheeled vehicles, such as saloon cars and quad bikes must meet the same number plate requirements as all other vehicles.


There is an upside to this of course. If you get a ticket for a 'small number plate' then the officer concerned should of course take measurements of the exact size of the numbers/letters on your plate. If they just measure the dimensions of the plate you could quite reasonably challenge this in court and ask for his/her evidence of the exact size of your plate numerals to prove they were undersize. You would have to go to court of course, with the risk of a larger fine etc, but it would be reasonable to do so. However if your plate is so small that the minimum size letters wouldn't physically fit onto it then pay up and keep quiet :)

I know someone who was issued with an endorsable (3 points) ticket for a bald tyre a while ago. The police evidence was that the tyre was 'less than measurable tread depth' but as they had not actually measured the depth of tread and recorded it in their evidence on the rear of the ticket the case was thrown out and the penalty cancelled.

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