I desperately need to get on board logging sorted for the race track.Can use my note book in a rucksack on the road. But that really isn't an option for the drag strip.

Willie popped over on friday, showed me how his palm tx worked with Gunter's bluetooth dongle,there's obviously an issue with 1125s and bluetooth but I'm perfectly happy to use a cable.
Willie explained how you record to sd card,put that into lap top and then convert using bins2.
Seems a lot of work and will require more than a couple of minutes to get the info that I need/want.

So,would it be possible to use a windows tablet or phone? Could monospy be used directly? Rugged recon windows phones available from £50.
Also I know there are obd2 logging apps for androids,but i don't know if they would record all of the data that's available to ecmspy??

I'm getting to grips with monospy now,but really need logging to make progress easier.Will really help to dial the bike in.

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Nige...1125d 9.43@140mph

My best bet would be to get a netbook and use that for logging. Older eepc are not much larger than a pda, but often struggle with aged batteries. EcmSyp for mono logs into text and binary files simultaneously, no need to translate the binary file later. It can also add wideband O2 data to the text log, when one of the supported sensors is used.

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Thanks Gunter,maybe I should just work out some way of storing my notebook on the bike

One obvious problem would be the need to start logging only just before I start to run,reasonably easy with a palm type that can be placed in the open.not so easy with a pc hidden away,most likely under bodywork,wrapped in cotton wool Gonna need a power supply too,or battery won't last long.
We frequently have to queue for hours before a run.

Might have to do some experimenting.Once set to log,will monospy continue regardless of engine state?
Power is going to be the real issue I guess.

when Willie hooked up with bluetooth on the 1125,the data appeared to stop and start. Something to do with transmission rate?

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Nige...1125d 9.43@140mph

I agree, I missed an external start-stop button for logging several times. One could of course install a remote desktop application on the pda, to remotely control the PC from there ...

If you plan to log just your runs, then I do not assume you will get much utilisable data. On a 10 sec. run you might get 60-70 records of data, which seems far too less to me to examine a non-steady situation as that. IMO you would need at least 10 times the data you will get with EcmSpy.

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Ok I'll have to have a word with james my megasquirting buddy,He get's huge amounts of info on megalog viewer from one 1/4mile pass.

It hadn't occured to me that the sampling rate was too low.

Probably good to know now before I waste more time on it.

Ideally i want rpms,so I can better select shift points,wideband O2 for best power/accelleration and tps just so I know where I go wot.
Myabe I'd be better looking at innovate loggers

Thanks Gunter

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ECMSPY's sample rate is 6per sec.Innovate wideband 12.2,but their own logger drops to 11x and less depending on channels used.And cost a lot,or can use logworks with ,guess what? a PC!

So ecmspy may not be the quickest,but it works and I have already got it.

So options?? palm + cable +sd card £50+

9" netbook running xp with solid state hard drive? have cable and driver.£100?
My current 10" notebook,free but priceless if it were rattled to death!!!

Or a 7" netbook running windows ce??? will ecmspy_even the old one just for logging -run on ce?...again has the ssd so vibration resistant. There are even a few tablets about with windows ce on...can be found on everyones favourite auction site for about £60.
For £60 it's almost worth a try

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Nige...1125d 9.43@140mph

A palmOS PDA will not log lambda data (unless DDFI-3 installed and analog WB-O2 connected to the ECM), the Mono environment will most probably not run on a Windows CE device.

I used a first generation eeePC 701, which has built-in flash memory for the "disk drive", Ubuntu 10.something, 2GB storage card. Worked fine for me in a (larger than Buell's) tank bag. The LC-1 controllers are larger than they appear, suprisingly the cable connecting the O2 sensor is somewhat shorter ...

You will also need a USB-to-RS232 cable to connect the LC-1 digital output to your PC. Sold at mouser.com as part no. 895-USBRS2321.8BT5.0, FTDI part no. is USB-RS232-WE-1800-BT-5.0. The ecmspy cable can not be used for this (or only in conjunction with a RS232-TTL convertor), as the LC-1 is equipped with a real RS232 interface only.

LC-1 pinout is:
2.5mm TIP goes to pin 3 of DB-9 ---> PC send, LC-1 receive
2.5mm RING goes to pin 2 of DB-9 ---> PC reveive, LC-1 send
2.5mm SLEEVE (ground) goes to pin 5 of DB-9

(http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/foru ... ostcount=2)

FTDI cable pinout available here: http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documen ... CABLES.pdf

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Something I played around with once was the fore-runner to this. This one will log 8 channels at 187Hz onto a micro SD card. Pop the card into your PC and post process in Excel using calibration which ECMSpy can help with.

Fine for open loop stuff, however some pre-processing of signals will be needed, especially speed where a frequency to voltage converter would be the order of the day.

At these kind of sampling rates, multiplexing would probably not be an issue, however the lag of O2 sensor signal post processing (analogue voltage output) may be.

Certainly cheaper than an Innovate system.

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That's exactly of what I was thinking about also. Unfortunately never managed to rewrite the firmware to add a frequency counter. A nice bundle of could probably speed me up a bit ...

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Okay I'll just have to beg to be allowed to run with my back pack on

So it's either palm or normal laptop? If I got another notebook with xp and a solidstate hard drive,could i use old ecmspy for logging purposes? or will I have to install monospy and ecm definitions?
If I go palm have you got any cables made Pash?

Widebands fitted last night,yes G the controllers are a proper pia! bloody huge!
Luckily sensor leads are just long enough to reach sensible mounting points.

Have the usb to serial,will be trying to hook up and check programming later.

I am hooked up to pins 1 and 33 -gray connector. Closed loop O2 will be off in ecm. Also have twin displays.

ta for info guys,will be building a full on 1125engined racebike later this year,looks like megasquirt will be a more cost effective option.

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I am still a little surprised that the Bluetoof doesn't work on 1125s. Have you tried to move the module as far away from the fan and other sources of EMI?

I can make you a cable, however the weak point is the connector on the Palm which can give intermittent faults due to its looseness...

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Ok,Willie brought down his palm and Gunter's blue tooth module.When connected to the 1125 the live info was coming in bursts...pulsing?.. is the best way I can describe it...on and off at quite a regular frequency,whether that would be an issue on the logged data???

I can see your point about the connector,piddly little things.So how much for a dongle?

Tried firing up LMprogrammer and got the same problem that I first had with ecmspy no serial port
Don't know if this one's down to the serial/usb converter or my pc.

These things are sent to try us

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Nige...1125d 9.43@140mph

I have experienced the same problem before with LuckyHand's 1125, but I always suspected it is a result of too much metal staning around in the workshop, resulting in reflections and whatever and therefore not getting a stable connection. I can't imagine the environment of a 1125 being such noisy. When I mapped my XB I had the netbook lying in the tank bag, just above the coil. Might it be a problem with the power supply, perhaps?

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I didn't have an issue logging with my 1125 with the Palm, but that was with a cable.

I will have to find an 1125 around here to test with...

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Widebands are all installed and functioning,2 displays wired in and analogue outputs(5v) connected to ecm.

Can't get my programming cable to connect,so going to order a new converter cable from ftdi and follow Gunters wiring info above.

What do i need to do to get wideband info logged with ecmspy?

For now I'll try to log with this notebook,while trying to pick up a version with solid state hard drive.If I get a replacement note book can I log using the old ecmspy? If not I'll download monospy again and just use the zd ecm.

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