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PostPosted: 14 Jun 2012 20:02 
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You can attack it in two ways, either richen the mixture a tad (as you would increase the size of the slow running jet on a carb) or do what I do and pull the fuelling down by 20% at the TPS corresponding to closed throttle, down to about 2500rpm.


So, all good advice, especially if you have a pre-08 bike, however I had the opportunity to apply this to an 08/09/10 bike with a gutted exhaust belonging to a forum member here. To protect his identity, let's call him Dave...

I have known Dave for a couple of years, actually met him at the UKBEG party at BB a couple of years back. I had previously helped Dave get rid of the popping on an STT he had, dead easy, pull 20% of the fuel out at TPS equal to a closed throttle (and below) and job was a good'un. He had since got rid of his STT, moving on to an XT, and he gave me a call and asked if I could do the same again to get rid of the popping.

No problem I thought, so I took the stock maps:
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pulled 20% of the fuel out:
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then sent him out to test. He came back 20 minutes later telling me it was still popping, I knew he wasn't pulling my leg cos I could hear him coming back...

I thought maybe it needed more fuel taking out... So I took a further 50% out:
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then sent him out to test. He came back 20 minutes later with the same story...

This had me scratching my head as I had no clue why it wasn't responding to the fuel being pulled out. I need to be clear at this point, I don't have an 08/09/10 Buell so I am sure there was something catching me out here, some fuelling correction that was richening the mixture. If it was mine, I probably would have logged some data and looked at the injector pulse width, but I had another call to make to drop some X1 bits off later in the day, so I had another think. If it was a carbed bike popping and banging, I would go up a size on slow running jet to get the mixture to burn quicker, I could have done this on my Firebolt and Uly, but prefer the increased engine braking by pulling fuel out and the beauty of fuel injection is that I can make it lean or rich anywhere in the map, so I can ensure there is enough fuel close to idle...

The other option of course would be to start the combustion earlier on the over-run by advancing the ignition, so I looked at the ignition map and to my surprise I saw this:
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Check out the advance from 4500 to 2000rpm, there isn't very much compared to the cells above, no wonder it was burning late... This retard was probably put in to make the engine less responsive as it approaches idle, but really is overkill...

So, next thing was to give a bit more advance:
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I sent Dave out for a ride, and I must say I was a little concerned when he didn't come back after 30 minutes, but as he rolled in I knew we had cracked it, no popping, no banging and a well happy Dave.

Bottom line, my preferred solution for popping and banging on a DDFI-3 engine is to advance the ignition (on front and rear) at TPS=0

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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2012 22:14 
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Thanks Pash,
This is really helpful :4roz:

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Thanks Pash, your a genius. :yup:

Advanced the timing and now hardly any pops, just enough to still be cool.

I can see why your friend "Dave" went out for 30+ the wife had wondered where I had gone after I had up loaded it. lOl

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PostPosted: 03 Jul 2012 18:57 
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Thanks for the feedback Mart, as I said to Dunc above, I often wonder if anyone reads the tripe I post... :D

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Ok Folks. I'm posting this hear as i'm going to have a go at the above. I have worked my way through all the procedures on ECMspy and have stalled trying to download my version of ECMspy mono. I have the transactions approved and i have downloaded both the Database installer and the application installer. However when I attempt to download i get the following message

Any ideas on where I shoould go from here?


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2012 12:50 
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ECMSpy for Mono should open that file for you. Are you downloading and saving to the location in the ECMSpy sub directory or trying to open. I would guess trying to open...

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johnnyguk78 wrote:
Any ideas on where I shoould go from here?


You do not need any xdf files, as they are for TunerPro only.

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OK got there ... did warn this could be difficult. So all hooked up and this is my screenshot.


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2012 13:12 
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So that is your fuel map front, if you look in the drop down box you can get to the ignition front and rear.

Then copy what I did above...

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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2012 13:25 
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these look like the right two.


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OK think i've got there. all the changes to the front timing are as above. now next and most important question is do I hit load save or redraw before firing her up and going for a blast.


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2012 13:48 
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So before you mod the maps, save the EEPROM and save your maps then make the 17 line and the 21 the same 2000 rpm and above, save the maps, then burn. To check it burned properly, get the EEPROM content off the ECM and check the maps.

Then go testing. Make sure you get the engine up to operating temperature ...

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I believe it may have been said before but you are a genius.
thanks for your patience and help.
I'm off now to test it before i have to head into work.
will let you know how it goes.

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Gunter is the genius...

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pash wrote:
Gunter is the genius...


What he has done really does warrant that comment many commercial software vendors would be very happy if they could produce such software from their team of developers. The Buell community are very lucky to have him as a member. :clap: :clap:

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