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PostPosted: 14 Aug 2012 21:45 
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Ive got a 2010 1125 CR and i am looking to change the cluster.

However the milage on the cluster is not the same as the bike, and this will cause some problem with the yearly inspections, and at the harley service and also it will make the service reminder remind me in the wrong milage.

How to i change the milage (km) in the cluster to match the bikes real milage?

Do i need the ECM spy, or any other tool?

I have the servicebook, and the manual for the bike. But none of them gives any info on this subject.

I am very happy to get this done asap as i am looking to put my bike in for service soon and i want the service history to be correct for future buyers and insurance company.

Very thankful for your input!


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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2012 00:09 
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i'm not sure that you can
i changed my cluster as the old one had some lcd 'bleed'
the bike had 7k on it, the new cluster had 3k on it so i just wrote down all the info mileages etc in the service book

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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2012 04:46 
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The ECM will learn not only the mileage but also the VIN from a used IC.

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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2012 14:15 
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mine hasn't although i have a race ecu

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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2012 16:08 
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Maybe it's switched off there. I bought my ECMs and the IC second hand, and now all share the same VIN and mileage.

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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2012 16:43 
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when i put my stock ecu back on i rode over to battyone's house where we fitted the race ecu again and uploded another map, i'll have to check the mileage once i get home again next week

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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2012 18:00 
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Still no clue?

Does the milage change from altering the cluster, or from altering the ECU?

I guess that alot of people should know this, because i see alot of 2008/09 buells with 1500km or 1000miles but that are not fittet with original tyres..

Anyhows, should be nice to sort this out before i go to my Harley Dealer to get my next service =)

I guess that they are not so happy if i ask them to write another milage then what is shown on the cluster when they fill out the service report.

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I had a '09 cluster fitted to my '08 to cure the parasitic drain issue. After 'talking' to my (then) standard ECM, the mileage corrected itself to the actual reading for the bike.

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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2012 19:57 
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Yes, but this is only if the IC is new, those get updated by the mileage stored in the ECM.
Used IC keep their mileage and update the ECM. This is a quote from the 1125 service manual:

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ECM AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER (IC) MATCHING

The security system is designed to stay active in the event the
ECM or the IC has to be replaced. The VIN, the PIN, the
security status, and the total mileage are stored in the ECM
and the IC. If either one of these components is replaced, it
learns the information from the other.

When Replacing the ECM

When the ECM is replaced, the new ECM copies the VIN and
the mileage from the existing IC. Once the VINs match, the
ECM matches the IC PIN and security setting. This works with
a used ECM as long as the ECM security is not active.
If the
ECM security is active, it sees the IC as an invalid VIN and
displays THEFT ERROR on the IC.

When Replacing the Instrument Cluster (IC)

The IC can only have a VIN written to it once. It cannot learn
a new VIN if a VIN has already been written to it. Therefore,
when replacing the IC, it must be a new IC.

NOTE

When the IC is replaced, there is a 30 minute timer that counts
down before the information is written to the IC. This is done
so the technician has time to test a new cluster to determine
whether the fault is within the cluster or not before the cluster
is matched to the ECM. Once the VIN is written to the IC, it
cannot be cleared.

If the ECM is in a secure state and a new IC is installed, the
ECM will not recognize it and the message THEFT ERROR
displays on the IC. Whether or not the ECM is in a secure state,
the IC begins to match to the ECM. A 30 minute counter displays
instead of the clock on the IC. It counts down and when
the 30 minutes are up the VIN is permanently written to the IC.
This 30 minute delay is so the new IC can be tested to verify
a repair and removed if it did not resolve the issue. If the ignition
is turned off, the timer stops but stays where it is and continues
to count down when the ignition is turned back on. In order to
reset the timer back to 30 minutes, disconnect the battery
power completely from the IC.

DTC P1009 Security System Fault or THEFT ERROR Message

The ECM sets a P1009 and THEFT ERROR displays on the
IC when the security data shared between the IC and the ECM
does not match, or if there is a loss of communication between
the IC and the ECM. If there is a loss of communication while
the engine is running, COMM ERROR displays until the ignition
is turned off. When the ignition is turned back on THEFT
ERROR instead of COMM ERROR displays on the IC.


From the IC's point of view it's a replaced ECM if a used IC is attached to the bike.

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PostPosted: 16 Aug 2012 20:59 
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I see :yup: 8-)

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PostPosted: 20 Aug 2012 20:18 
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This is a very nice feature for sure!

To bad it wont work when swapping between two existing bikes.

If this data is in the computer, and not the IC, is it then possible to alter the computer itself with ECM spy?

I would really like to correct this instead of manually adding km to get the correct sum.


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PostPosted: 21 Aug 2012 17:59 
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gunter wrote:
Yes, but this is only if the IC is new, those get updated by the mileage stored in the ECM.
Used IC keep their mileage and update the ECM. This is a quote from the 1125 service manual:

Quote:
ECM AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER (IC) MATCHING

The security system is designed to stay active in the event the
ECM or the IC has to be replaced. The VIN, the PIN, the
security status, and the total mileage are stored in the ECM
and the IC. If either one of these components is replaced, it
learns the information from the other.

When Replacing the ECM

When the ECM is replaced, the new ECM copies the VIN and
the mileage from the existing IC. Once the VINs match, the
ECM matches the IC PIN and security setting. This works with
a used ECM as long as the ECM security is not active.
If the
ECM security is active, it sees the IC as an invalid VIN and
displays THEFT ERROR on the IC.

When Replacing the Instrument Cluster (IC)

The IC can only have a VIN written to it once. It cannot learn
a new VIN if a VIN has already been written to it. Therefore,
when replacing the IC, it must be a new IC.

NOTE

When the IC is replaced, there is a 30 minute timer that counts
down before the information is written to the IC. This is done
so the technician has time to test a new cluster to determine
whether the fault is within the cluster or not before the cluster
is matched to the ECM. Once the VIN is written to the IC, it
cannot be cleared.

If the ECM is in a secure state and a new IC is installed, the
ECM will not recognize it and the message THEFT ERROR
displays on the IC. Whether or not the ECM is in a secure state,
the IC begins to match to the ECM. A 30 minute counter displays
instead of the clock on the IC. It counts down and when
the 30 minutes are up the VIN is permanently written to the IC.
This 30 minute delay is so the new IC can be tested to verify
a repair and removed if it did not resolve the issue. If the ignition
is turned off, the timer stops but stays where it is and continues
to count down when the ignition is turned back on. In order to
reset the timer back to 30 minutes, disconnect the battery
power completely from the IC.

DTC P1009 Security System Fault or THEFT ERROR Message

The ECM sets a P1009 and THEFT ERROR displays on the
IC when the security data shared between the IC and the ECM
does not match, or if there is a loss of communication between
the IC and the ECM. If there is a loss of communication while
the engine is running, COMM ERROR displays until the ignition
is turned off. When the ignition is turned back on THEFT
ERROR instead of COMM ERROR displays on the IC.


From the IC's point of view it's a replaced ECM if a used IC is attached to the bike.


... so if you fit a second hand IC, when Hardley plug the bike into their computer in the workshop, they'll think its the bike the IC originated from?


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That's how I understand it from the above...

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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2012 16:19 
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pash wrote:
That's how I understand it from the above...



Still no one with a clue on this issue?


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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2012 21:30 
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goodifidelity wrote:
pash wrote:
That's how I understand it from the above...



Still no one with a clue on this issue?


From the above, I'd say using a second hand IC is ill advised. You'll need to fit a new one. What's wrong with the original IC?


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