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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 14 Jan 2013 12:31 
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The prob with the bigs is quite poss the disparaty in the dynamic load statts.also EVERY one who has seen the oil feed hole in crankshaft is gissmayed how small it is to feed the big end . :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2013 20:08 
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Another thing you probably need with a stroker job are funny pistons. The extra sweep ups the compression too much and if you increase the piston clearance you lose the squish band just making an oversized donkey engine! lOl


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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2013 19:14 
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edd wrote:
pash wrote:
Not seen any rods for a 9, but Carrillo will make specials.

The dark horse crank of ericz is an 08/09/10 model. I am wondering whether 00/01/02/03/04/05/06/07 crank webs can be bored to suit a bigger pin and use the same rods. Would save you having to buy a whole new crank and a new generator rotor.



If Carrillo can make special rods then (and if you have the money) why not bore out the pin location slightly offset to stroke the motor a bit then have correspondingly shorter rods for your 9?.....my earlier plan to stretch the XB motor nearer to being square! ;) An XB10+? 8-)



I've just been reading up on how different length rods (for the same stroke) affect the way an engine behaves - 'tis very interesting 8-) lOl

I'm always amazed at how little lubrication a roller bearing requires. My mate rode his Knuckle Head 8 miles home, (carefully lOl ) after the oil pump drive gear sheared, and the big end was unmarked.

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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2013 19:37 
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edd wrote:
If Carrillo can make special rods then (and if you have the money) why not bore out the pin location slightly offset


http://ecmspy.com/download/gunter/image ... rmfoto.png

Screenshot, unfortunately not very clear, showing a larger crankpin, slightly offset. Engine gained a few extra cc displacement that way (IIRC 1280 vs. 1208 cc with a standard crank and bigbore kit). Engineered and manufactured by LuckyHands.

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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2013 19:42 
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Is that the Jakus engine? Were they 08/09/10 rods?

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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2013 20:29 
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Yes, it is. The engine was built in late 2008, so it might be possible that they took the rods from a thunderstorm engine. OTOH, I have a very faint memory, that the original rods were used, but 4 mm larger bore seems a lot more to me.

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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 17 Jan 2013 12:23 
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Adam wrote:
I've just been reading up on how different length rods (for the same stroke) affect the way an engine behaves - 'tis very interesting 8-) lOl



Yeah, reading that stuff can give you rod fever! lOl

Longer rods increase the piston dwell at TDC which is good.....but also make motor more sensitive to gas flow and exhaust scavenging. I suspect this is one reason (not just the stroke length) that the XB9 and 12 combustion feels different. :?

Not sure if this has any relevence to rod length, but one theory is that two valve engines benefit more from stroking than overboring as opposed to 4 valvers with their higher valve circumference. For this reason, I always felt my TR1/XV1000 needed a longer stroke, because all the aircooled XV motors were limited by the same 750 heads and valve sizes (to satisfy US EMAP evaluation). This was well demonstrated by the higher efficiency of the sleeved down 699cc > 700 cc tariff buster in the 1980's and later XV1100 (1063cc) motor, which ran sweeter than the old 981cc......for those who have ridden them both. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 19 Jan 2013 16:55 
DrBuella wrote:
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Devonbob wrote:
Sounds good. Has anyone got any experience of these guys?



Martinwill who happens to be listed above :roll:


I've used them too. Highly recommended, proper old school. Repaired a cylinder head for me at a very fair price some time ago. I've got a stink-wheel crank for them to sort for me when I get round to it.


Thanks for that DrB its nice to know there could be life after tick tick boom...


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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 19 Jan 2013 19:53 
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......for those who have ridden them both. ;)


....and maybe a bit meaningless if you've not seen inside the head of an XV! lOl

Still, this months American V continues with it's series on enlargement of Harley motors with some nice pics of funny topped pistons! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: S E P CRANK REFRBS
PostPosted: 19 Jan 2013 21:05 
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Devonbob wrote:
Sounds good. Has anyone got any experience of these guys?


alf's motorcycles in worthing use them for some of their cranks. when i phoned they couldnt give me a price so didn't use them

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