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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2009 18:36 
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I've been careful to only start the bike since then when the engine management light has gone out


There is no need to do that.


Yeah you may be right but my problems were very similar to AndyC who created this post. And when your bike rides rough as rats intermittently and HD say there's nothing they can find you tend to look for anything to solve the problem and waiting for the management light to go out before starting seemed conceivable!


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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2009 19:23 
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My bike was running well after over 400 miles with my exhaust. The only thing that changed was the poor running since exhaust header poped out. Obviously upset the fuelling but it was intermittent. I've been careful to only start the bike since then when the engine management light has gone out and the bike is running normal again. So who knows it might have been my starting sequence, I don't know? There has been one occasion where the bike was ticking over and went lumpy where the idle was all over the place, and another time where it misfired whilst on a roundabout and stalled as I was going around it at the time! That was a scary moment!


Your problems are more than likely a result of not following the tips from Maz below.


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Fitting Aero Headers & Reverso Can?
18. Now the engine is supported by the jack at this point. Lower it enough to remove header pipes. As you do this, check for tightening of throttle cables, the wiring harness and fuel pipes, and for clashing between the harness and coil. Maz's tip is to remove the ignition coil and plug leads, disconnect all engine harness connectors, injector plugs etc.under airbox, disconnect fuel line and disconnect clutch cable from lever. In addition, on 08>models the ign. pick up cables etc will need disconnecting.


I'd be checking those connectors, and the sensors to which they go to for damage.

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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2009 19:40 
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PH4824.....no the RH 'scoop' does not need removing for service......WTF would a dealer want to do warranty work on your ineptly self fitted aftermarket exhaust system ??.....you were joking, right ? :roll:



Sorry mate I aint going to let that stand and I don't care how "respected" you are on this site! You don't know me, you haven't a clue how my exhaust was fitted as you weren't there yet you have the nerve to criticise how my exhaust was fitted! There's no need to be rude just cause you know more, cause clearly in this case you havn't a clue!

fyi the original header flange nuts were all torqued up so how they vibrated free I don't know? Seemed to much of a coincidence for the header to pop out after a service don't you think? In hindside spring washers should have been used but there you go, I've learned something new!

Rant over!



I know exactly how you fitted the headers because you published a blow by blow write up.
The reason the nuts came loose and the header 'popped out' is because you aint got a clue what you're doing with these motors....you just proved that by suggesting spring washers for the header nuts :roll: ......and BTW the torque settings for these nuts is BS.
You did of course use new nuts and retainer rings didn't you :roll:
Why would anyone go anywhere near your exhaust header nuts whilst doing a service....as I said the RH scoop never needs removing unless the engine is rotated (properly).

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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2009 19:51 
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,,,,and some fell on stoney ground,,,,,,,


you getting all religious on us GM? :lol:

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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2009 20:11 
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not really Zoid, it's just that all the bloody time Maz spends on sorting folks worrys an' problems out on here, only for them to "know better" ,,,as I've said in another thread somewhere, I had the savey to listen to someone with real life experience of these animals, even as an engineer myself, a lot of what Maz has told me over the years, I've sometimes viewed with scepticism, but y'know what ?,,,,the 'ol bugger was right in the end up,,,so if they chose not to heed the mans experience and FREE advice,,,then fuck 'em,,,let them reap what they sow,,



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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2009 10:03 
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I know exactly how you fitted the headers because you published a blow by blow write up.
The reason the nuts came loose and the header 'popped out' is because you aint got a clue what you're doing with these motors....you just proved that by suggesting spring washers for the header nuts :roll: ......and BTW the torque settings for these nuts is BS.
You did of course use new nuts and retainer rings didn't you :roll:
Why would anyone go anywhere near your exhaust header nuts whilst doing a service....as I said the RH scoop never needs removing unless the engine is rotated (properly).


If spring washers are so crap then why did HD supply them to me cause they also supplied the replacement nuts as well!

Regarding that I "aint got a clue" well you are half right but I only do jobs I'm comfortable doing like changing the belt tensioner, removing the airbox cover, fitting optimiser, changing air filter, removing back wheel just small jobs really. I don't get involved in something thats out of my depth - I leave that to the experts. But my exhaust was done properly I can assure you!

"why would anyone go near your exhaust header nuts"? I don't know? But if it worked ok before a service then falls off shortly after then it's not unreasonable to think the two are connected.

Seems I have a following of grumpy old men on this site, every time I contribute or ask questions some of these grumps see it as an opportunity to attack! :roll:

Sorry AndyC, was only contributing to your post, didn't mean to hi jack it!


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2009 10:14 
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not really Zoid, it's just that all the bloody time Maz spends on sorting folks worrys an' problems out on here, only for them to "know better" ,,,as I've said in another thread somewhere, I had the savey to listen to someone with real life experience of these animals, even as an engineer myself, a lot of what Maz has told me over the years, I've sometimes viewed with scepticism, but y'know what ?,,,,the 'ol bugger was right in the end up,,,so if they chose not to heed the mans experience and FREE advice,,,then fuck 'em,,,let them reap what they sow,,


I guess you are talking about me!

Here we go again. I have never had the attitude that I know it all. If I was that way inclined then I would be on this site asking all those questions would I? As I've said before, seems like whenever I post someone swoops in to attack me EVERY time! I can't do any good in some people eyes - fuck em, if that's the way these small minded people are! I have never met maz and neither have I had a bad word to say about him (unless he starts with me) yet this guru seems to thing he can slate me for no good reason and so do others! Hardly a great forum when you have people like this posting and you are just as bad!


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2009 10:38 
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ph4824 wrote:
Seems I have a following of grumpy old men on this site, every time I contribute or ask questions some of these grumps see it as an opportunity to attack! :roll:


,,,as you wish ph, nothing more you can really say to enlighten the perceptions of a closed mind


Interesting how you put the ball back in my court. I don't think I have a closed mind, I would love to be pals with everyone here but some just like to criticize and stand in judgement. :old: and me being me will bite and some know it! Maybe thats why they do it, entertainment!


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2009 11:30 
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If spring washers are so crap then why did HD supply them to me cause they also supplied the replacement nuts as well!


A spring washer does not work in a high heat environment......1st time it gets hot it turns into a flat washer and actually reduces tension on the nut.
No idea why HD would supply spring washers....they certainly aren't listed for any header application, HD or Buell.
The correct nuts are 26p each, they're flanged self locking.

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i like fish.


:yt: me to :D

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I love the smell of fish in the morning; you know that smell son, smells fishy, nothing else smells like that it smells like .... Some day son this thread will end. :lol:


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PostPosted: 09 Aug 2009 20:10 
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If spring washers are so crap then why did HD supply them to me cause they also supplied the replacement nuts as well!


A spring washer does not work in a high heat environment......1st time it gets hot it turns into a flat washer and actually reduces tension on the nut.
No idea why HD would supply spring washers....they certainly aren't listed for any header application, HD or Buell.
The correct nuts are 26p each, they're flanged self locking.


Point taken.


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