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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2013 13:40 
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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2013 15:20 
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Doesn't having 2 batteries on at the same time mess up the battery management? Wonder if there is any risk.



Like Pash, I've been doing it for years without problem. I think the charger just 'sees' one big battery with more cells :?


The only time I see it maybe becoming a problem is if one of the batteries fails and the others masking the failure, making it overcharge the good ones because it can't balance the charge to the individual batteries it can only charge to what it sees as the full load on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2013 15:57 
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I leave the bikes on a dedicated Optimate for each and have for 10 years - so far I've had no problems :yup: Excellent bits of kit :D

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2013 16:05 
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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2013 16:08 
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kevmean wrote:
Adam wrote:
Charlie (Buzz) 716 wrote:
Doesn't having 2 batteries on at the same time mess up the battery management? Wonder if there is any risk.



Like Pash, I've been doing it for years without problem. I think the charger just 'sees' one big battery with more cells :?


The only time I see it maybe becoming a problem is if one of the batteries fails and the others masking the failure, making it overcharge the good ones because it can't balance the charge to the individual batteries it can only charge to what it sees as the full load on it.



I know what you're saying Kev, but my take on it was that it would be the same thing as a duff cell in a single battery - just a guess :?

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2013 16:36 
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Adam wrote:
kevmean wrote:
Adam wrote:
Charlie (Buzz) 716 wrote:
Doesn't having 2 batteries on at the same time mess up the battery management? Wonder if there is any risk.



Like Pash, I've been doing it for years without problem. I think the charger just 'sees' one big battery with more cells :?


The only time I see it maybe becoming a problem is if one of the batteries fails and the others masking the failure, making it overcharge the good ones because it can't balance the charge to the individual batteries it can only charge to what it sees as the full load on it.



I know what you're saying Kev, but my take on it was that it would be the same thing as a duff cell in a single battery - just a guess :?

I've used the Optimate to bring a battery back to life that the Battery Tender could not. Lasted another couple years. By only having one battery hooked up, it was able to constantly evaluate it and alter the charging program. Couldn't have happened with 2 batteries hooked up.

Also, the battery in my HD, Buell and dirt bike are different chemistries and need different charging programs. Hooking these up at the same time, I would most likely be damaging one or more of them. When I had the BMW, the CanBus was a whole 'nuther spanner in the system regarding charging programming.

Just buy a 2nd one ya cheap bastids. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2013 17:33 
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I've got 4 Optimates lOl (but one is dedicated to my caving gear). My 1198 runs a Canbus system with a Lithium Shorai battery and that requires a dedicated charger.

However, with the lead/acids, the charger will monitor the individual cells - the more cells, the bigger the battery. Is the Optimate clever enough to determine that the cells are in a different battery case? In theory, I can't see how; in practise, I really have no idea :? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2013 18:30 
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The only thing I can see is that just to round off the figures a standard 12v battery consists of 6 off 2volt cells in series to give the 12volt total , if you have an open circuit in one of the cells then that means you have no continuity through the battery. If you add a second battery you connect it in parallel to the first so the charger still sees a 12v battery connected but it has no idea that only one of them is good and the other is doing nothing. Also it will not know if they are different amp hour rated as it will just see the one load on the charger so in theory could be overcharging one of them ;)
And what would the charger do if one battery was bad with only say 10volts and the other was good with 12 volts ;) I see it being no problem as long as there is no problem lOl

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2013 21:42 
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kevmean wrote:
The only thing I can see is that just to round off the figures a standard 12v battery consists of 6 off 2volt cells in series to give the 12volt total , if you have an open circuit in one of the cells then that means you have no continuity through the battery. If you add a second battery you connect it in parallel to the first so the charger still sees a 12v battery connected but it has no idea that only one of them is good and the other is doing nothing. Also it will not know if they are different amp hour rated as it will just see the one load on the charger so in theory could be overcharging one of them ;)
And what would the charger do if one battery was bad with only say 10volts and the other was good with 12 volts ;) I see it being no problem as long as there is no problem lOl



I've never looked inside a battery, the only one I've seen in bits was on my old rs 100 Beemer (it exploded after I accidentally shorted it with a spanner lOl - lesson learned :roll: )
I thought it was a load smaller 2v cells series connected to form a 12v cell and these were connected in parallel (more cells=more Amps), so the charger would 'see' 12V when individual cells reached that voltage, irrespective of which case they were in :? lOl But, as before, I've no idea really what I'm on about lOl
That said, I do have another knackered Optimate adapted for multicharging, that I remember getting much warmer than my other ones before it stopped working. The batteries it was trickle charging were fine though :?

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2013 21:51 
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Ironically, mine has just given up the ghost after 20 odd years. The wires are pretty rigid and knackered where they come out of the unit.
I've got to buy a new one now, so my youngest son can wrap it up and surprise me on Christmas Day. lOl

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2013 22:11 
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This thread has prompted me to read up a bit about split charging ;) ..... a lot of articles suggest batteries should be of similar capacities and one tip if charging at over 10 amps is that the batteries be connected in parallel and the positive lead of the charger on the nearest battery and the negative on the furthest if that makes sense which balances the voltage drop across each battery and cable see figure 9 in this article ;)

http://batterytender.com/resources/conn ... rgers.htm/

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A bit more reading about charging batteries lOl

http://batterytender.com/resources/battery-basics.htm/

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
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And if you read the FAQ it says they should be the same type of battery ;)

http://batterytender.com/resources/freq ... questions/

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
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Yep, a good read that 8-) Mind you, I did have to zip up my anorak first lOl

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 Post subject: Re: Optimate ?
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