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 Post subject: Funny pistons
PostPosted: 27 Dec 2012 20:39 
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Anyone measured the squish angle of a Thunderstorm piston before?

I always thought they had a 15 deg squish angle:

From - http://www.nrhsperformance.com/tech_thunderstorms.shtml
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the squish band shelf in the Thunderstorm head is 15 degrees, and in fact the factory Thunderstorm piston has a matching 15 degree dome angle.


From - http://www.nrhsperformance.com/tech_squish.shtml
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Buell Thunderstorm heads and matching pistons are set up this way, with a squish angle of 15 degrees.


http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/arch ... 22842.html
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The Thunderstorm piston has a 15 degree dome angle and gives 10:1 when placed under a 67cc chamber. The Thunderstorm chamber is 67cc and has a matching 15 degree squish band cast into it.

So to put a Thunderstorm piston under a Lightning head, you'd need to cut the squish band out to 15 degrees.


but when I actually measured one (out of a 2002 PBS X1):

Image Image Image

The part number itself doesn't tie up with the part number in the parts book for Thunderstorm pistons (which come with rings), however I think I remember asking Ursus a similar question when I last had a Thunderstorm top end, before I sold it, and (I think) he looked on HDNET and it said it was the PN of the piston only and was listed as part of the set.

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 Post subject: Re: Funny pistons
PostPosted: 29 Dec 2012 10:03 
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Nearly finished my crisps...

The plot thickens. I got rid of the step on the heads so I could measure the squish angle there:
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Not far off 15 deg, but we know this is cast and pretty rubbish.

So, back to the piston... Is the piston (22645-98YA) correct for the engine?

I quick call to Riders to do some HDNET digging:

The Thunderstorm piston kit, 22676-98Y comprises:
1 x 22765-88 - Piston Pin
1 x 21920-83 - Piston Ring Set
2 x 22589-83B - Lock Ring - Piston Pin

But no piston :?

They did however have one kit in stock in Bridgwater, so a quick call to the parts department with a request to open the box, and it had the piston inside (one mystery solved) with the 22645-98YA part number engraved in it (second mystery solved).

So, in summary:

1. I have the correct pistons in this engine
2. The piston squish angle is 10 degrees
3. The head squish angle is 15 degrees
4. Google suggests that nobody else has reported this before

Could it be that piston 22645-98YA supersedes 22645-98Y which had a 15 deg squish angle? This is a 2002 engine. I had pistons with the same engraved part number out of a 2001 engine which went in SoG.

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 Post subject: Re: Funny pistons
PostPosted: 29 Dec 2012 13:10 
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If it was a real part number then YA would indeed be a superceded number for Y. However, that number doesn't appear to exist at all. Found 22641, 22642 and 22643 all with 86D suffixes which were pistons but no 22645. You do enjoy a good mystery don't you, Pash? lOl

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 Post subject: Re: Funny pistons
PostPosted: 29 Dec 2012 14:01 
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ursus americanus wrote:
If it was a real part number then YA would indeed be a superceded number for Y. However, that number doesn't appear to exist at all.
Found 22641, 22642 and 22643 all with 86D suffixes which were pistons but no 22645.

Yeah, that's what I'm on about... But it's on the piston, clear as a metallic tattoo... And not just on one, but on two sets that have passed through my hands and a brand new one sitting on the shelf at Riders.

ursus americanus wrote:
You do enjoy a good mystery don't you, Pash? lOl

No 50 Shades of Grey for me ;)

But check it out, found someone else finding the same issue (with a 22645-98Y as a 10 deg too - so no change in angle from Y to YA):

http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/show ... stcount=28

but if you follow the thread to page 2, you will see that the pictures with evidence have been removed. Maybe the HD MIB (Men in Black not Management Information Base from IEE 802.3.1) have deleted it:

http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/show ... 600&page=4

Time to respond...

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